An open challenge to evolutionists.

[Revoltingest]

Actually i should have said "characteristic" rather than "same"

Don't back down from the compliment.
(I get so few.)

 

[oldbadger]

I am a naturalist as religious, so I believe in the Big Bang.
But there are other beliefs including young Earth.

Oh.......
So you believe on a 6 to 10 thousand year Earth?
Yes?

 

[ChristineM]

No that's not a chemical reaction. It is a nuclear reaction.

You need physics to model that: chemistry can't help you there.

Chemistry is all about the bonding brought about by electrons. What you have in stars involves nuclear binding, i.e. between protons and neutrons.

Thats what i said.

..."which use a nuclear reaction" ...

And i repeat, i said "chemical" NOT "chemical reaction"

 

[oldbadger]

I wonder how many posters will take your comment seriously.
It's happened before that someone thought I was a creationist.
An atheist creationist, eh.
Go figure.

Oh come on!
Would you really mind if some amazing member picked up such a f-g end and then smoked it, thus claiming you to be a creationist?
You can't be that up tight over the nonsense of a young earth etc, can you?

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh come on!
Would you really mind if some amazing member picked up such a f-g end and then smoked it, thus claiming you to be a creationist?
You can't be that up tight over the nonsense of a young earth etc, can you?

I've long ago become inured to the bizarreness of this place.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Oh.......
So you believe on a 6 to 10 thousand year Earth?
Yes?

No, I am a religious person, who use methodological naturalism. But I am also a cognitive relativist, so I accept that creationists believe differently than me.

 

[exchemist]

Thats what i said.

..."which use a nuclear reaction" ...

And i repeat, i said "chemical" NOT "chemical reaction"

H -> He is not a chemical reaction, though.

 

[ChristineM]

H -> He is not a chemical reaction, though.

God magic?

 

[exchemist]

God magic?

2H -> D + e⁺ + ν.

D + H -> ³He + γ

2 ³He -> ⁴He + 2H

So 6 hydrogen nuclei generate 1 helium nucleus plus 2 hydrogen nuclei back again, plus 2 positrons, 2 neutrinos and some gamma radiation, i.e. release of energy.

But I had to look this up, because this is not chemistry. This is nucleosynthesis, i.e. interactions between nucleons, rather than electrons.

(D = deuterium, i.e. "heavy hydrogen", with a proton and a neutron in the nucleus.)

 

[oldbadger]

I've long ago become inured to the bizarreness of this place.

RF is a kind of personification of humanity, imo.
Just a lot more safe and quite useful. You might even pick up the odd restoration clue or whatever?
Being the top poster then you must love the place?

 

[oldbadger]

No, I am a religious person, who use methodological naturalism. But I am also a cognitive relativist, so I accept that creationists believe differently than me.

OK. So would you like to offer your idea for the age of our Earth? I will go with 4.6 billion yes.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

OK. So would you like to offer your idea for the age of our Earth? I will go with 4.6 billion yes.

So would I.

 

[ChristineM]

2H -> D + e⁺ + ν.

D + H -> ³He + γ

2 ³He -> ⁴He + 2H

So 6 hydrogen nuclei generate 1 helium nucleus plus 2 hydrogen nuclei back again, plus 2 positrons, 2 neutrinos and some gamma radiation, i.e. release of energy.

But I had to look this up, because this is not chemistry. This is nucleosynthesis, i.e. interactions between nucleons, rather than electrons.

(D = deuterium, i.e. "heavy hydrogen", with a proton and a neutron in the nucleus.)

Sheesh. How many times???
I said chemical, not chemical reaction.

 

[exchemist]

Sheesh. How many times???
I said chemical, not chemical reaction.

"Omit suns (which are made from chemicals) from my list which use a nuclear reaction to be a sun, both fueled by the results of chemical reaction hydrogen > helium, and I turn create the elements that bond in chemical reaction."

???

 

[Revoltingest]

RF is a kind of personification of humanity, imo.
Just a lot more safe and quite useful. You might even pick up the odd restoration clue or whatever?
Being the top poster then you must love the place?

Love? No.
Addicted? Yes.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Love? No.
Addicted? Yes.

I feel you, man!

 

[ChristineM]

"Omit suns (which are made from chemicals) from my list which use a nuclear reaction to be a sun, both fueled by the results of chemical reaction hydrogen > helium, and I turn create the elements that bond in chemical reaction."

???

What fuel does a sun use?

 

[oldbadger]

So would I.

Cool!
I haven't got any issures swith that.
At this time we still do not have a completre picture of how our own tiny solar system developed. We need to send more probes outwards and inwards to fill in masses of questions.

So for now al,l complete answers are on hold.

 

[gnostic]

What fuel does a sun use?

Hydrogen.

The proton-to-proton reaction chain reaction (nucleosynthesis) would require at least 6 hydrogen to make a single helium nucleus with 2 protons and 2 neutrons.

The nucleosynthesis - fusing lighter elements (eg hydrogen) into heavier elements (eg helium), will release high energy, especially heat, thus high temperature.

 

[ChristineM]

Hydrogen.

The proton-to-proton reaction chain reaction (nucleosynthesis) would require at least 6 hydrogen to make a single helium nucleus with 2 protons and 2 neutrons.

The nucleosynthesis - fusing lighter elements (eg hydrogen) into heavier elements (eg helium), will release high energy, especially heat, thus high temperature.

Yes, i know, i was being flippant in exchange for exchemists flippancy