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An Alarming Observation

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by PureX, Aug 3, 2021.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely spot on post. Keep 'em coming!
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Certainly. But remember in the past it wasn't so much race and gender as it was being a landowner.

    You can be a white male and cannot vote if you had no land of your own.
     
  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Half that stuff can apply to the left as well.
     
  4. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I like the idea of land ownership as the founding fathers structured it. I'm sure they had their reasons for it.

    None of us actually votes anyways save for state and local elections. The privilege to vote on the federal level soley belongs to electoral voters.
     
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  6. PureX

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    I agree that the democracy we think of, and that the video is claiming is in danger, has already been lost. And quite a while ago. The mechanisms of it are still in place, however, even though they have been effectively usurped by the legalization of bribery within our government. But effective democracy could be revived if we had the will to fight for that outcome (currently we do not).

    I also think the 'trumpsters' have realized this and understand full well that democracy has failed them. Which is why they feel no particular equivocation when they are being accused of "destroying democracy". Their thought would be, "what democracy"? Systemic corruption is not democracy, and it doesn't deserve to be respected or maintained just because it calls itself a democracy.

    And they're right.

    Unfortunately, they are wrong in almost every other respect. They are wrong to blame the failure and subjugation of democracy on the 'intelligencia', and on 'liberals', and on the rejection of Christianity. And on minorities and illegal aliens. The real culprits are using their ignorance, fear, and bigotry to get them to turn against their own government, and their fellow citizens, to further their own agenda. And thereby stopping any effective attempt at cleaning up the corruption of government before it can even start.
     
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    The stage is already set as Trump is now fundraising for 2024. Democracy remains an experiment, and a growing number of those who think it not possible and dismiss it, and those who are oblivious to the possibility.
     
  8. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, I do believe that would be bad. It is a simple truth that not every human is born with either the same capacity or the same opportunity to learn and be educated. And yet, every human is born with the same right to try to live their life as best they can -- and that includes participating in how they are governed.
     
  9. PureX

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    In most of these instances it was not "support" so much as it was acquiescing to the political circumstances of the times.
     
  10. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    The Left is absolutely not the ones suppressing voter rights or introducing bills to do expressly that. In very racist and targeting ways, I might add. I don't care what side of the spectrum you're on (though it's fairly clear), this is flatly a stupid stance in this regard. This is apples to ham.
     
  11. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    So you think people who rent ought not to have the right to vote? Would that include a significant number of people living in large cities? What about the adult children of landowners who, while daddy is alive and they haven't yet inherited, would have no right to vote? Nice one. Who wants a dependent lout voting, eh?

    And land, being a finite commodity in a country with finite borders, when it is all owned and there is no more to be purchased, would you suggest everyone born after that be disenfranchised until some landowner -- and his children -- dies so that somebody else can get a turn to buy in?

    Gotta say, you got some strange notions.
     
  12. exchemist

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    My question was who, in your opinion, decides who gets the "privilege" of voting and on what grounds. I wasn't asking what you, hypothetically, might like to see.
     
  13. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    But there is no level playing field as it is, since those in power or more wealthy have the ability to push their views or warp the information that people get. So why would it be so harmful to have some kind of system that ensured a more even distribution of knowledge - and appropriate rewards (weighting as to votes) when people demonstrated such? I'd just like to see this tested out, even if it might not be practicable.
     
  14. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    The way to deal with that is not to disenfranchise anyone -- just get in place some decent laws around election financing. Things like putting a cap on individual donations to parties (same cap for all, no matter how rich they are). That alone would deeply curtail the ability of the super-rich to "buy" candidates. Then, candidates don't need to feel so deeply indebted, and can't be bribed by promises of future contributions.
     
  15. Wandering Monk

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    Someone once proposed a draft of politicians from the general populous rather than elections. It would make it harder for corporations to influence who gets in office.
     
  16. Mock Turtle

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    But in the USA it has gone way beyond that already, and in many other countries too where the media is in the hands of individuals with political views to push. I just can't see how one gets around this unless some other system comes in. The Brexit thing came about basically from a distorted push from one side, even when those more knowledgeable recommended staying in.
     
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    You might try and tell that to many prominent Republicans who have either left the party or feel disgusted with the racist, xenophobic, dishonest, and/or depraved party that they used to love and support. Let me recommend paying attention to George Will, George Bush, Michael Schmidt, Nicole Wallace, former RNC chairman Michael Steele, etc.
     
  18. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    And you actually think the left is void of that themselves?

    I will give you one thing, the left does a much better job at hiding it then the right does.
     
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    I quit watching when he claimed that the Republicans want a dictatorship...
     
  20. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    If it is hidden, how do you know it is there?
     
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