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American Atheists at it again?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Rakhel, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. Rakhel

    Rakhel Honey badger.

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    Is this Incitement?
    Note: It was mentioned on the channel4 news that the billboard written in Hebrew will be placed in the neighborhood of WIlliamsburg. A very Haredi neighborhood of Brooklyn NY.
     
  2. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    No...it's an invitation to embrace thought and reason as alternative to myth and superstition. Only those that feel threatened by such invitations would interpret such as "incitement" to something yet undefined by you...
     
  3. Hevenly Heathen

    Hevenly Heathen Seeker

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    How is this any different than the myriad of faith based billboards stating that "Jesus Saves"?
     
  4. InformedIgnorance

    InformedIgnorance Do you 'know' or believe?

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    Personally I would have suggested a less confrontational message, but its not too bad
     
  5. Pegg

    Pegg Well-Known Member

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    i just hope that they form a friendly club where their new converts can meet for socializing and emotional support.

    It would be sad if their only purpose is to destroy the faith of people and then not provide them with a place where they can have their emotional and spiritual needs filled.
     
  6. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Religion:
    Really?
    Just for the record... atheists do not "recruit converts"...

    Atheists may advocate human reason/intellect and demonstrable fact as embraceable alternatives to faith-based claims of super naturalistic cause-effect explanations, but such motives should not be interpreted as any motivated interest to "destroy the faith of people"... nor to supplant or provide any "emotional and spiritual needs" filled or unfulfilled.

    Just saying... :)
     
  7. Rakhel

    Rakhel Honey badger.

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    Hey I don't believe that Jesus saved anyone and I have no problem with this sign either. My contention is the placement.
     
  8. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    You think atheists can't proselytize?
     
  9. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Careful, your bias is showing.
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Superstylin' Staff Member Premium Member

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    No, I think she makes a valid point.

    Especially in insular religious communities like these, religious belief (or at least affiliation) is directly tied to the mechanism by which all sorts of real social and emotional needs are fulfilled.

    As it happens, there's a Recovering from Religion group in New York City. In a city like New York, I'm sure there are also other atheist groups and other community groups that can help fill the void when someone leaves a religion.
     
  11. Hevenly Heathen

    Hevenly Heathen Seeker

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    So are you opposed to the Jesus Saves billboards in Las Vegas? There is no point contesting the placement, unless you are asserting that everyone in the vicinity is Christian/Jewish/Muslim/Whatever. We all have a choice, can we not chose to ignore the billboards?
     
  12. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Really?

    Well, first of all, projection of one''s unsaid point as being another presented presumption is poor rebuttal at best.

    Second, "to proselytize" may include efforts to influence the opinion of others, but in matters of faith based beliefs... one would be persuaded readily enough to comprehend that such beliefs transcend mere personalized opinion...and are more likely predicated upon some "revelatory" or insightful claim of a personalized "knowledge" or existential "truth".

    Last I checked, atheists claim neither of those perspectives as their own... and allow "believers" to adhere as much, or in the very least to any/all of those claims as they please, as long as they do not insist that others follow or be forced to obey their own accepted perspectives as a generalized rule of law or enforcement.
     
  13. Rakhel

    Rakhel Honey badger.

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    when I lived in Mississippi, a strip club tried to start a business. Above the business was a billboard that said "Jesus Saves." Were all the patrons atheist? I seriously doubt it. Same goes for the ones in Vegas. Are all gamblers atheist? I find that funny. I gamble myself.
    Here is the thing. These signs are going up in insular communities. Everyone in the area that one of these particular billboards are Haredi Jews. Very religious. Very much opposed to outside influence. And very willing to fight to keep it that way. If they could, they would block the buses and subways from operating in their neighborhood.

    I don't know much about the Arab neighborhood that the other is going up in.
     
  14. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Well, I sure hope so :)

    I have no wish to be vague or unclear here, not within an invited forum of discussion and debate :)
     
  15. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Yes, it is. Now, do I really need to explain the difference between a request for clarification and a rebuttal? :facepalm:

    If one is a fool, sure.

    That's not what I asked.
     
  16. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Religion:
    Really?
    Your inquiry was not directed towards me, but as this is an open forum, I'll lend my own reply...

    A couple of instances of things to ponder upon...

    I would no more take offense to a paid advertisement on a billboard proclaiming "Jesus Saves!" in Vegas that I would in another billboard saying "Jesus bets on a hard Six" (tho the latter might make me laugh aloud).

    Whether or not anyone believes or wants to believe that a supernatural, all-powerful, ever-present supernatural entity resides in Vegas to single-highhandedly determine the outcome of every hand of cards, or roll of the dice, or crank pull of a slot machine as otherwise being ordained or purposed to some meaningful design within the entire cosmos ...is of no consequence to me, and seems laughable on it's premise alone.

    Within whatever faith-based belief system you claim as your own... what holy text or established dogmatic adherence would ever lead you to insist or be offended by any extant paid Billboard extolling any particular perspective of any kind whatsoever? In Vegas? Really?
     
  17. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Really?
    I suppose this boils down to whether or not you perceive an honest and earnest reply as some universal "answer". I no more claim to speak for all atheists than I might accept another respondent as universally answerable for the entirety of Christians, monotheists, polytheists, or pagans.

    But if you wish to only engage in verbal gymnastics, you may find me capable in the task as willing foil.

    In matter of fact, I did "answer" your posed question as both a posited clarification and as a sarcastic rebuttal...

    Which you invited by very premise...so, you're welcome:)
     
  18. Quaxotic

    Quaxotic Treks' Furry Monster

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    Nope won't work.

    A recent bid to the following ad on buses was shot down.

    [​IMG]


    It's about as unoffensive as you can get. It doesn't matter they'll still ***** about it.
     
  19. Pegg

    Pegg Well-Known Member

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    yeah well thats cruel then. Because many people choose to believe in a creator because it gives them some peace of mind in a world that they have no control over.

    You dont know if you will be alive tomorrow and you probably dont care, but many do care and a belief in God is what gets them through each day.

    And i think what some atheists fail to appreciate is that religion is what fills that need in some people.
     
  20. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man.

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    Most Tim Horton's or Starbucks suffices engaging in idle conversation for us displaced apostates. :coffee:
     
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