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Amazon Has Banned Conversion Therapy Books; Will the Bible Be Next?

Skwim

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"This week, Amazon removed books from its website by the late Joseph Nicolosi, the so-called “father of conversion therapy.” Nicolosi spent his career convincing people they could change their sexual orientation and that homosexuality was something that needed to (and could) be prevented. He died in 2017.

For months now, activists have been pushing for Amazon to stop letting gay torture advocates use the company to funnel its products. One petition at Change.org had over 80,000 signatures and argued that Nicolosi’s books have led to “mental health issues including depression, self-harm, and suicide.” For Amazon to profit from that was appalling.

And now those books are off the site. They’re still available elsewhere, but Amazon isn’t offering them. Good on them.

Now Dr. Michael Brown* at Charisma is worried that Amazon will come after the Bible next.


… for claiming that sexual orientation is not innate and immutable, and for claiming that change is possible, [Amazon says] Dr. Nicolosi’s books must be banned.

This leads to the logical question: Will Amazon ban the Bible next? There is no hyperbole here.

Why, then, should Amazon ban his books but continue to sell the Bible, which provides the theological underpinnings for Dr. Nicolosi’s scientific work?

After all, gay critics of the Bible refer to the so-called “clobber passages,” referring to verses which have been used to speak against homosexual practice. If these verses, then, have brought such harm to the gay community, why shouldn’t the book containing these verses be banned?

As hilarious as it would be for Amazon to ban all versions of the Bible for all the mental anguish that book has caused, Brown, as is so often the case with him, misses the obvious.

There’s a difference between books that promote harm and cruelty and books people claim justify hate and cruelty. Plenty of progressive Christians would argue the biblical “clobber verses” are taken out of context and that their holy book isn’t nearly as bigoted as conservatives might suggest.

Amazon isn’t censoring Nicolosi because his views are politically incorrect. They’re not selling his books because they’re providing a guidebook for torture. It’s the same reason they got rid of books that claimed drinking bleach could “cure” autism.

If the issue was merely that of disagreement, Amazon couldn’t sell anything concerning religious or politics. This isn’t about a bad opinion. (Amazon is still selling books written by conservative writers.) It’s about immoral, illegal advocacy. It’s about getting rid of a book that leads to death.

There’s no slippery slope. There is no First Amendment violation. There is only hyperbole.
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* In the past Brown has been criticized in Charlotte [North Carolina] by the local LGBTQ community for holding a rally in protest of their 2009 Charlotte Pride Festival. The Southern Poverty Law Center has profiled him for his promotion of "junk science" on topics connected to sexual orientation, such as in his regular claims that homosexuality is caused by childhood trauma and his support for conversion therapy. In September 2012, the organization named him in their list of "30 New Activists Heading Up the Radical Right." In March 2014, Brown traveled to Peru to promote anti-gay laws. He has also defended Uganda's criminalization of homosexuality. He has said gays should be treated with respect and dignity.

Brown was criticized for citing the white supremacist website Stormfront in an article "asking whether it was time for another Jesus Movement among Jewish millennials".[10] He apologized, saying he was not aware what the site was.
Source: Wikipedia



Homophobia is just a gay pride parade away.
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SugarOcean

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"This week, Amazon removed books from its website by the late Joseph Nicolosi, the so-called “father of conversion therapy.” Nicolosi spent his career convincing people they could change their sexual orientation and that homosexuality was something that needed to (and could) be prevented. He died in 2017.

For months now, activists have been pushing for Amazon to stop letting gay torture advocates use the company to funnel its products. One petition at Change.org had over 80,000 signatures and argued that Nicolosi’s books have led to “mental health issues including depression, self-harm, and suicide.” For Amazon to profit from that was appalling.

And now those books are off the site. They’re still available elsewhere, but Amazon isn’t offering them. Good on them.

Now Dr. Michael Brown* at Charisma is worried that Amazon will come after the Bible next.


… for claiming that sexual orientation is not innate and immutable, and for claiming that change is possible, [Amazon says] Dr. Nicolosi’s books must be banned.

This leads to the logical question: Will Amazon ban the Bible next? There is no hyperbole here.

Why, then, should Amazon ban his books but continue to sell the Bible, which provides the theological underpinnings for Dr. Nicolosi’s scientific work?

After all, gay critics of the Bible refer to the so-called “clobber passages,” referring to verses which have been used to speak against homosexual practice. If these verses, then, have brought such harm to the gay community, why shouldn’t the book containing these verses be banned?

As hilarious as it would be for Amazon to ban all versions of the Bible for all the mental anguish that book has caused, Brown, as is so often the case with him, misses the obvious.

There’s a difference between books that promote harm and cruelty and books people claim justify hate and cruelty. Plenty of progressive Christians would argue the biblical “clobber verses” are taken out of context and that their holy book isn’t nearly as bigoted as conservatives might suggest.

Amazon isn’t censoring Nicolosi because his views are politically incorrect. They’re not selling his books because they’re providing a guidebook for torture. It’s the same reason they got rid of books that claimed drinking bleach could “cure” autism.

If the issue was merely that of disagreement, Amazon couldn’t sell anything concerning religious or politics. This isn’t about a bad opinion. (Amazon is still selling books written by conservative writers.) It’s about immoral, illegal advocacy. It’s about getting rid of a book that leads to death.

There’s no slippery slope. There is no First Amendment violation. There is only hyperbole.
source
* In the past Brown has been criticized in Charlotte [North Carolina] by the local LGBTQ community for holding a rally in protest of their 2009 Charlotte Pride Festival. The Southern Poverty Law Center has profiled him for his promotion of "junk science" on topics connected to sexual orientation, such as in his regular claims that homosexuality is caused by childhood trauma and his support for conversion therapy. In September 2012, the organization named him in their list of "30 New Activists Heading Up the Radical Right." In March 2014, Brown traveled to Peru to promote anti-gay laws. He has also defended Uganda's criminalization of homosexuality. He has said gays should be treated with respect and dignity.

Brown was criticized for citing the white supremacist website Stormfront in an article "asking whether it was time for another Jesus Movement among Jewish millennials".[10] He apologized, saying he was not aware what the site was.
Source: Wikipedia



Homophobia is just a gay pride parade away.
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So the thread title is misleading. Amazon didn't ban conversion therapy books.
Amazon.com: gay conversion therapy

Amazon allegedly banned books by one author of gay conversion therapy books.

And not all of JN's materials are gone from Amazon. Though the Christophobes will likely flood Amazon with demands they do clear all materials even bearing anything to do with just his name.
Amazon.com: Joseph Nicolosi: Books

What Amazon doesn't get is, people seek out this kind of therapy. Be they families of homosexuals or Trans afflicted persons. Or those persons themselves who want to not be homosexual or who want to be comfortable in their God given bodies.

The movement to stifle that free choice is in the wrong. Not the therapy that is there for people who wish to to take advantage of.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Amazon's decision is simple. They can be sued for promoting the conversion therapy books by claimants with a good story to tell and there's a good chance they'll lose some of the suits for big bucks along with the damage done to its reputation. The company has no such worry selling the Bible.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
...theological underpinnings for Dr. Nicolosi’s scientific work...
Only in Charisma Mag could anyone write that phrase and be taken seriously. Its not a science magazine.

The writers are probably dead serious and not exaggerating in their opinions. The paranoia has a historical source. There were/are substantive threats by communists to rid the world of the Bible. Only thirty years ago it was illegal to print Bibles in the USSR from what I understand. There are still forces in the world which believe silencing the Bible and erasing it would be justified, and Charisma's writers believe Satan is consciously behind that. Hence they are not trying to use hyperbole. They are quite serious and concerned that Satan is still trying to stop the Bible and remove it from society.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Here is Joseph Nicolosi:


Watch his face when Fry says he could pass as a gay man
The whole Conversion Therapy movement is a huge scam, unscrupulous people taking advantage of the fear and desperate of weak minded people who believe that if they don't stop being gay God isn't going to love them anymore
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
The whole Conversion Therapy movement is a huge scam, unscrupulous people taking advantage of the fear and desperate of weak minded people who believe that if they don't stop being gay God isn't going to love them anymore
It also takes advantage of straight believers who then are pitted against the welfare of other people. History is never without its quacks. There are always people looking for a niche.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It also takes advantage of straight believers who then are pitted against the welfare of other people. History is never without its quacks. There are always people looking for a niche.
There is a difference between those who sell pablum to the masses and those who sell poison. These conversion therapists sell poison and the APA should boot all of them and have the courts revoke their licenses to practice.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So the thread title is misleading. Amazon didn't ban conversion therapy books.
Amazon.com: gay conversion therapy

Amazon allegedly banned books by one author of gay conversion therapy books.

And not all of JN's materials are gone from Amazon. Though the Christophobes will likely flood Amazon with demands they do clear all materials even bearing anything to do with just his name.
Amazon.com: Joseph Nicolosi: Books

What Amazon doesn't get is, people seek out this kind of therapy. Be they families of homosexuals or Trans afflicted persons. Or those persons themselves who want to not be homosexual or who want to be comfortable in their God given bodies.

The movement to stifle that free choice is in the wrong. Not the therapy that is there for people who wish to to take advantage of.
The therapy is harmful. One cannot change their sexual orientation. Even the leader of Exodus, Int'l apologized for doing damage to people by this horrible "therapy."
Bi sexuals can!
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Here is Joseph Nicolosi:


Watch his face when Fry says he could pass as a gay man
The whole Conversion Therapy movement is a huge scam, unscrupulous people taking advantage of the fear and desperate of weak minded people who believe that if they don't stop being gay God isn't going to love them anymore
As a hetro sexual i dont get bi sexuals!!!! Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So the thread title is misleading. Amazon didn't ban conversion therapy books.
Amazon.com: gay conversion therapy

Amazon allegedly banned books by one author of gay conversion therapy books.

And not all of JN's materials are gone from Amazon. Though the Christophobes will likely flood Amazon with demands they do clear all materials even bearing anything to do with just his name.
Amazon.com: Joseph Nicolosi: Books

What Amazon doesn't get is, people seek out this kind of therapy. Be they families of homosexuals or Trans afflicted persons. Or those persons themselves who want to not be homosexual or who want to be comfortable in their God given bodies.

The movement to stifle that free choice is in the wrong. Not the therapy that is there for people who wish to to take advantage of.
Maybe they need to purchase a book from amazon to learn how to google conversion therapy books? I mean amazon is big its not like we are talking some constitutional right here.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I have read that even bisexuals have an orientation, yet they are open to the other gender as well. Maybe I'm wrong...But if they can....lucky!!!
i tried to picture that and its like staring at death in normal mode. Blank.

So the best i can say like normal folk talking about death is " i believe when i die i will become bi sexual!" normal is wierd nothing wrong with that.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I have read that even bisexuals have an orientation, yet they are open to the other gender as well. Maybe I'm wrong...But if they can....lucky!!!

I'm a frysexual. I'm open to fried food in bed, like chicken wings. Really gets me going, if ya know what I mean.
 
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