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Featured Am I possessed?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, May 2, 2019.

  1. Eddi

    Eddi concerned participant

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    Sometimes, when I think of a question in my head I get a response, through a sensation of touch - a gentle, light sensation that's not at all unpleasant

    That's pretty much how it all began (it's quite a long story...)

    Where exactly I am touched means different things

    I believe that there is a being who is external to me that is doing the touching, responding to my inner voice in a kind of dialogue - I address him with my inner voice and he responds with touch

    i think of it being like a two-way radio

    I address him with my inner voice and it responds by touching my body – left means “yes” and right means “no”

    I call this being Butterfly

    He identifies him as being a part of a computer simulation, and says that our reality and all people are also parts of a simulation – “The Simulation” as I call it

    Because of this I have been diagnosed as Schizophrenic

    I believe I have this relationship with The Simulation as it has chosen me to represent it, and that it has to do this to someone as there is no way for it to assume a bodily form of its own and be able to interact with other humans on a human level - I believe it wants to interact with humanity and does so via me

    There was a stage when Butterfly said he was God and that I was Jesus but that was only a phase. I believe this happened to teach me the lesson that I am not Jesus in case I was to ever get too big for my boots in the future! Like an inoculation against future insanity?

    At one point I had a full-blown Messiah complex, but that's over now

    I no longer believe myself to be any character from scripture or to have any extraordinary relationship with God

    Yes – God. I believe in God. But a distant God, a deist God

    But… what if this being is something other than what it affirms to me?

    It obviously has no bodily form so interacts with the world via me

    Although I don’t believe it can actually control me, but he obviously does influence me

    I’m pretty certain it is The Simulation, but recently seeds of doubt have been planted in my mind, and I've always believed in keeping an open mind

    If Butterfly is not The Simulation then who or what might it be instead? And what should I do about it? Am I somehow possessed? And if so, by what?

    I’d be interested in hearing what ideas people may have about Butterfly and me

    And yes, he is allowing me to make this post - he is not the boss of me! He is just an entity to whom I have a channel of communication, he lets me get on with my life and doesn't boss me about
     
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  2. dybmh

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    It doesn't sound like possession to me.
     
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  3. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Find another working model of what you are experiencing. This one isn't serving you well.
     
  4. Eddi

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    That's easier said than done!

    I have a list of three possibilities:

    1) Schizophrenia
    2) The Simulation
    3) Possession

    I can't think of any more
     
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    If a licensed mental health professional has diagnosed you as schizophrenic, I would take that possibility quite seriously. Particularly since you know that you have had somewhat exotic or unique interpretations of reality in the past that you now recognize were misguided.
     
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  6. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Let's start simple, the feeling of being touched is a subconscious emotional reaction to your thought. So the touch does not correspond to T/F but to happy, sad, afraid, etc. There is actually a clinical name for that, but that change of perspective should help.
     
  7. Eddi

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    That's very interesting, thank you

    That made me think: Maybe I have some kind of split personality? Could that be the solution?

    I've never considered that before
     
  8. Eddi

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    Another possibility:

    Maybe I’m the one doing the possession and this body of mine isn’t really mine???

    Perhaps then Butterfly is an extension of me (or rather I of it), a kind of super-brain of which I am a mere tentacle (one of many) occupying a certain human body?
     
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  9. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Play with them until you find one that works.
     
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    I would say you're oppressed. Possession is when a spirit entity takes over someone's physical body and controls it.
     
  11. Eddi

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    Please, elaborate
     
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    Hmm.

    There are a lot of things I have to say about this. That the otherworlds are a thing, and they're a vast and complex territory. It has been handled in different ways in cultures throughout the ages. By and large, it is handled very poorly in our own. The otherworlds are a territory that mainstream culture has a ... troubled relationship with, where it acknowledges those relationships at all. It leaves many of is ill-equipped to contextualize experiences like yours and also makes discussing them openly problematic. Feel free to poke me with a PM if you'd like to chat, @Eddi.

    In most respects, working with the otherworlds is not different than operating in the apparent world. In all worlds, experience and discernment are important. In all worlds, you get to choose the company that you keep, though only to an extent. In all worlds, you have to manage your relationships, your expectations, your actions. Use the wisdom you know of interacting with people in the apparent world and apply it to the otherworlds. That's the best general advice I have.
     
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  13. 74x12

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    Spirits attach themselves to people and follow them around. It happens for various reasons. It doesn't even mean you necessarily did anything wrong. Just that you've been opened up to it for some reason. It could be a particular sin; but not necessarily. Every spirit that does this has been let in for some reason; which we would call an "open door".

    Witchcraft and the occult are one opening. Just playing with a ouija board is enough. Rock music --the obviously satanic variety-- etc.

    We believe deliverance is available in Jesus name when a Christian takes authority and binds the spirit. The Christian can close the door and kick the invasive spirit out.
     
  14. Nakosis

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    Sure, you are possessed by your subconscious mind. Your subconscious mind is bigger, your conscious self takes up less than 5% of your brain. Your subconscious mind is faster. Like playing the guitar, you train your subconscious mind the necessary finger movements because if you had to rely on your conscious self, you'd never be able to consciously move your finger fast enough. You've got a crappy memory, where as your subconscious mind has excellent memory.

    For the most part, you, what you consider yourself, that's running your body around is really mostly just along for the ride.

    The subconscious mind communicates to the conscious self through feelings, thoughts, dreams. These all seem external to your conscious self because they are. The source is your subconscious who's inner machinations you are consciously not privy to.

    I know most feel the conscious self is in charge but really the conscious self is little more than a governor on a huge engine. That engine could run fine without you but might overheat itself.

    Sometimes a brain gets wired wrong and comes up with crazy ideas of which you might have sufficient self awareness to override or not.

    So yes you are possessed by a huge demon or ally depending on how efficiently you and your subconscious mind can work together.
     
  15. Eddi

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    Thank you for your reply

    As it happens, music played a central part in the mental breakdown I had when Butterfly started to communicate with me

    There were two songs I became obsessed with - one lasted exactly 4:18 minutes/seconds and the other one had a music video in which 4.18 appeared repeatedly

    I looked these up in a bible and found Luke 4:18

    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

    Which made me think I had a special role
     
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    No, you're not possessed. Being possessed is spiritually impossible from my experience, which is awhile. At best, you could be temporarily influenced or even controlled but only at your will. This is what people do when they channel gods into themselves aka medium-ship. This isn't a permanent affliction, and as soon as the person is roused from trance either by will or assistance it's over with.

    Tactile phenomena of this nature are symptomatic of schizophrenia and also are also very unusual in the psychic space. Especially true if your occurrences of this vary in any way when taking medication. Messiah complexes are co-symptomatic with other mania and sort of provide evidence that supports it more likely being a mental manifestation than anything else. Doubly true if this occurs in your waking consciousness with no effort, training in the matter, or development on your part. If you just "had this" it's more likely to be mental issues in deference to actual experiences. Most people whom work in the areas occult will take years to even have a single experience similar to yours, but the difference is they're not thinking they're special for it. It's also not "on tap" to help them choose their dinner or whatever nor is it nearly as consistent. The consistency is the biggest sticker between it being real and hallucinatory for me -- I've been at it for years and no one I know nor myself would have that despite our relative successes. I still lean toward you having a serious issue that you need help with, and probably need to take it a hell of a lot more seriously or you'll be lead down the primrose path so to speak, in a bad way.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily consider it possession unless you feel you are being puppeteered, like, with no will of your own whatsoever. Otherwise, it's guidance, just as many Christians believe in guardian angels and such. I have had many, one being Fire (part of the reason for my username is that I was a teen when the 90s X-Men came on and she noted that Phoenix wasn't exactly like what she was, but it was close in concept, a primal force of nature, though the origin I've settled on is that she lived in the Yucatan and the asteroid hit and her body was destroyed but she became a living fiery entity instead, eating forces of darkness, which is what attracted her to me, because demons were out to scare or kill me). She taught me how to fight the darkness trying to eat me alive. Now I eat it. :)

    I'm kind of a spiritual sarlacc pit. It's not easy to get out once you get in. However, watching The Exorcist gave us the idea of using a body switch and that seems to have helped. I haven't really felt her presence since, though she did appear once in a dream, attacking heaven, and I used the fire powers I learned from her to absorb her fire so that no one was harmed. She did that to prove to me I had my own talents spiritually and I didn't need her anymore.
     
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    4 and 18 are significant numbers. 4 being for foundations ... a structure is made with 4 corners.

    18 is an interesting number because it is 9+9 which is good; but it can also be negative 6+6+6.

    Anyway, as for this song causing the whole thing. I don't know. But it's possible.
     
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    He is obviously a liar. I would say to him, in the name of Jesus Christ, go away.
     
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