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Am I fit for Satanism?

Discussion in 'Theistic Satanism DIR' started by agorman, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. agorman

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    Sorry if my questions are stupid, but most of what I read on the web about Satanism is almost useless. Books too.

    Something odd is happening to me. Today while I was in bed, I got messages in trance from Mary/The Moon Goddess (A luminous lady in a white tunic), that the "Father" is leading me to Satanism; since it's a path of no scruples and no guilt, so it'd be easier for me to forgive myself.

    I'm not sure I really need Satanism to forgive myself. My way of thinking is indeed very much LHP: No want of dissolving my ego, a will of growing instead of becoming little, no belief in karma (at least how it is taught), a wish for enjoying life on this world, becoming a minor god (not fusing into the Universal God), not being subject to spiritual authorities, etc.

    But I suspect the idea is that in a dark path the only sense of not hurting innocent people is maybe because of pride or to stay well in Society, if that matters to gain something. Or because of some personal affection for some particular innocents. So what do you Satanists think of hurting innocents to achieve your goals? (Independently of what the Law would do; let's leave the Law out of this). I have a problem with that.

    Also I'm a little scared of going back to that path, because the last time I've tried, I noticed my feelings were slowly getting anesthetized. e.g. cute things like little kids and puppies didn't seem cute anymore, but contemptible. Did you guys feel the same? In that case how did you avoid that in Satanism?

    Also I'm not a fan of dark things, which could be another problem. I mean, being always in dark places, cemeteries, lust for blood and dirt, obsession for gothic stuff and gore, terror movies, etc. Is that really necessary?

    So far what Satan himself told me is that his is a sort of Gnostic path (darkness against the Demiurge, destroying this evil world, but enjoying until it's over, etc). And he's the same as Shiva, but Shiva gives a different energy in my experience.
     
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    You're already off to a bad start. Satanism is not "a path of no scruples and no guilt", far from it. You need to understand what Satanism is and what Satanists are.

    Forgive yourself for what?

    What gives you the idea that any 'dark path' involves hurting innocent people or hurting anyone or anything for that matter?

    So, you allegedly have been a Satanist in the past. I can only ask, what form of Satanism, if any at all, were you involved with in order to have these bizarre ideas of Satanism and the LHP?

    There is no rule that you must follow along with things you precieveas 'dark' in order to practice Satanism or the LHP.

    If you are now telling us you speak to Satan, well . . . you may need professional help! Real Satanism is thoroughly divorced from any Abrahamic ideas, that includes Gnosticism. The Shaivite connection however, is a tricky and much debated one.
     
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    Of course, that's why I'm asking questions.

    Mainly because I'm unemployed and I think if I had made better choices in life I wouldn't be a burden for my parents at my age. Who knows, maybe I'll feel better if a get a job in the near future. Otherwise I don't really know what I will do.

    That's what is commonly taught. That's why I said before that what I've read isn't very useful.

    I have tried been a Satanist on my own for a few weeks. No cults, no orders, just an altar with Satan. But I haven't been a Satanist for a long time, exactly because of what I wrote on my first post.

    Oh it's not the sound of a voice that I get... It's not as wonderful as if Satan would get up from Hell and have a beer with me. I get thoughts, I don't get when Satan is not on my altar. Some call it inspiration. I know, it's not 100% trustable, but it's the only thing I can get; communications in trance, dreams or inspiration. Unless I become clairvoyant someday.

    Oh well I see there are many ideas about what is "real" Satanism. You tell me what "real" Satanism is about.

    The Ophites looked at the Snake as a liberator and there was actually a Gnostic Satanic cult started in 1966; the Coven of Our Lady of Endor:

    Theistic Satanism: Gnosticism and Satanism
    Our Lady of Endor Coven - Wikipedia

    I believe the Serpent is Lilith and not Satan.
     
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    If you have to ask, no.
    Not at all. The LHP often includes high amounts of self-accountability.

    Far from it, the rules and tenants of Satanism are more strict and more broadly defined than Christianity when it comes to not hurting innocent people. There is no sort of "sparing the rod means you hate your kid," because in Satanism you spare the rod because it's unacceptable to hit a child. If someone hasn't caused you harm, it is unacceptable to harm them. Don't even give them your opinions if you aren't asked (that one is more LaVey, but I'm boggled over this idea of hurting people).
    It doesn't surprise me considering your wrapped and distorted view of Satanism. Anyone would become depressed and develop numbed feelings if that's all they exposed themselves to.
    I do not at all struggle with that. I may indulge in some very violent and dark entertainment, but I also love watching cute animals doing cute animal things. I can't say I like babies, but I'm always fascinated to watch an eagle soaring through the sky. I equally love moonlight forest paths and rainbows streaking through the sky.
    Where on Earth did you get that it is? Go hug a puppy, cuddle with a kitty, smell some flowers, and enjoy life. A part of the LHP is not denying oneself such pleasures of the flesh.
     
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    Then you've read the wrong ones, I suppose.
    Could you give some examples so we can get an impression?
    Well, one of the websites I normally recommend to beginners would be: Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists
    It is a bit dated but still quite helpful for getting started.
    Or, if you are also open to non-theistic perspectives, you may want to check out for example this podcast: Home - Black Mass Appeal by some more The Satanic Temple-style Satanists.

    You're right, but I would still say that it also is quite helpful if one has trouble forgiving oneself.
    Sure it's valued much more if you do manage to achieve your goals, but the LHP is certainly not about beating yourself up, but about finding the right balance between freedom and self-restriction, the right way of handling yourself.
    Can't say I agree.
    Sure, some groups say "don't hurt innocents", others don't.
    Imo, the essence is less about what other Satanists say but about what oneself deems right or wrong.
    If that means you come to the conclusion you shouldn't hurt innocents, great. If you come to the conclusion that there is no such limitation, and you're happy with that, great as well. Important is that you yourself feel good about what you're doing.

    Not my experience.

    You need to understand why one would do stuff like that: In order to face one's fears or unblock suppressed parts of one's psyche. Or, if one truly enjoys it, for the heck of it. But well, if those methods don't seem helpful to you in your situation then there would be no reason why you would need to make use of them.

    I believe those are myths and therefore any equating is only as valid as one's interpretation.
    Whether the spiritual entities exist or not, who knows, but considering how myths transform through time they cannot be all literally true.
     
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    Oh well, I vaguely remember books where Cain is lauded for killing Abel, Videos with supposedly Satanic people making rituals to curse others... In general at least here in Latin America being Satanic is mostly considered as a path where you have a license to make damage; to do murder curses, spells to bind couples, killing a hen to offer its blood, etc. That sort of thing.

    Diane Vera has helped a little, yes. Although she mixes a little with paganism and whatnot.

    Those are Laveyan rules... I don't know if they're relevant.

    Fine, because I like having my own morals, not being subject to commandments or rules and judging for myself if someone is innocent or not. Rules are for people who doesn't think. Anyway one thing is judging who's innocent and who's not, and another is not caring about hurting innocents. That's why I was asking for some clarification (which I got, thanks).

    Anyway if Satan is one of the Fathers of Mankind, is logical to think he doesn't want us to jeopardize harmless people.

    So maybe I was confused then with so much emphasis is always given in Satanism to the black colour, darkness, etc. But as you say, they're just methods some people need.

    I hope Satanism is helpful, because I'm still trying to understand why a few months ago, while I tried being a Christian by myself, I fell in a trance while listening at a recording of a repeated Lord's Prayer and I saw the famous white bearded God leading me to Satan (!).

    Maybe the image of Satan I put on my altar was the problem? It was similar to this one (without the text; I edited it out):

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    I know some images or symbols can be bad for some people who make wrong associations with them. I can send you the exact image I used in private if you wish.
     
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    Lauding Cain? Sounds like you stumbled upon some anticosmic Satanism perhaps? They seem to be quite a fan of him.
    I mean, I also like Cain, but I wouldn't take that story as a role model for killing people, nor do I think most take it that literally.

    Ritual curses? I haven't ever found reason to do that, but yeah, seems quite common.

    Latin American Satanism is quite a bit more extreme and outlawish, from what I heard, compared to the US and Europe. Also has to do with the circumstances there.

    What you described would also fit into some of the other syncretic religions there, or so I'd assume. Killing hens is common in Afro-American ritual curses from what I heard.

    You can mix Satanism with nigh anything, so shouldn't be too much of an issue.

    Could have been any other being leading you there, could have been an expression of your subconsciousness. Important is what you make of it. If we assume that whatever it was that gave you that vision had good intentions, it may have chosen that imagery in order to convince you of trying out that path.

    That explanation sounds right on spot to me. So you may want to try with a different altar piece.
     
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    Flowers writes from a Setian perspective, so there might be some bias in that direction in there.
    But it's been ages since I read it (not sure even if I read it in full), so I have no idea how good it is. Shouldn't be too bad, though.
    Seconding Zalbarath's website - he once in a while even answers to comments.

    Hm, I could list so much more that I don't know where to start.
     
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    Far more than just LaVey. Where I've looked into the LHP (more specifically modern LHP as ancient LHP practices may have included human sacrifice), not harming innocents is a major no, with no exceptions for "righteous" fury and vengeance (unlike the Bible where the unborn and animals were not even safe from Jehovah's mandate of genocide).
     
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    Satanism offers one the chance to explore themselves. No one has to be ''ready'' or ''fit'' but I will say, learning about one' self, our truest self, can be a bit scary. I don't follow the LHP anymore, but I did learn much from it when I explored it. Good luck on your journey.
     
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    Your post has me confused, could you elaborate on a few things please?
    Which ancient 'LHP' practices involved human sacrifice?
    What do you mean "not harming innocents is a major no"
     
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    Do I really need to explain it?
    Some of the ancient Indian/Hindu sects may have.
     
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    Here is a source for Kali worshippers using ritual sacrifice of humans and animals in regard to the arishadvargas.
    Hymn to Kali: Text: Verse 19
     
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    The 'flesh' mentioned in your Hymn to Kali refers to animal flesh and is even cited as such. Also I don't consider vamachara to be a true left hand path as understood in the west.

    *'The flesh of' (Palalaṁ)
    These animals represent the Six Enemies (Ripu) or Vices which are specially characteristic of the following animals: The goat stands for Lust (Kāma) 'as lustful as a goat (Chhāga),' the buffalo, Anger (Krodha) 'as angry as a buffalo (Mahiṣa),' the cat, Greed (Lobha) 'as greedy as a cat' (Mārjāra), the sheep, Delusion (Moha), 'as stupid as a sheep' (Meṣa) the camel, Envy (Mātsarya) 'as envious as a camel' (Uṣtra), Man, Pride (Mada) 'the Pride and arrogance of man' (Nara).
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    If you wish for me to understand your double negative sentence . . . then yes.

    Like which ones?
     
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    It does mention humans as one of the sacrifices. There is even a blurb about one commentary saying only Kings can perform Human sacrifice.
    89:10 As to this human sacrifice, K. B. says that Kings alone, and not any other, are entitled to make human sacrifice, citing the Yāmala quoted in the Kālīkalpalatā (Rājā naravaliṁ dadyān nānyopi parameśvari). For inner sense see Svarūpa-vyākhyā post.​

    I agree that Vamachara is not WLHP, however. The goal is to rid oneself of these qualities, not to transform them.

    The Ānandākalpa says, 'Worship should be done by making offering of lust as goat, buffalo, and so forth '. Offering is made to Thee who art Cidrūpā of lust and other vices as articles of offering (Upacāra) in worship with the object of ridding oneself of them. Bṛhannīla-Tantra says, 'In the fire of Ātmā which flames with the ghee (Havih) of Dharma and Adharma, I ever offer in Homa by the Suṣuṁnā path, with the mind as ladle, all the functions of the senses—Svāhā.'​
     
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    Do I really need to explain basic grammar and reinforce it with basic arithmetic?
     
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    I must be blind then . . .


    VERSE 19
    O DARK One, 1 wondrous and excelling in every way, 2 becomes the accomplishment, 3 of those worshippers 4 who living in this world 5 freely make offering to Thee in worship 6 of the greatly 7 satisfying flesh, together with hair and bone, 8 of cats, camels, sheep, 9 buffaloes, goats, and men.
     
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