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Featured Am I Christian or Pagan?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by PopeADope, Sep 12, 2017.

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  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I am monotheist in that I believe all spirits come from one original creator spirit.

    I believe however that the Pagan Deities really were spirits speaking to people who were in touch with the spirit world.

    I've prayed to Woden, Thor, Dionysus, Freyja, Frigg, and various Pagan Deities. Also pray to the dead and find it spiritually satiating.

    I believe that a human being can become a god or goddess , and that some of the Deities are spirits that once had a body.

    I think much of the Bible is irrelevant today, and I see it as having many errors. It simply goes against my conscience, is irrational in places, and horrifying + depressing in others, but I'm open to the possibility that it is all the word of God.

    It is Biblical that I see God has changed his mind over time , and therefore I don't believe a lot of the Bible is supposed to be followed today.

    I study and respect all faiths and take from them what my judgement tells me is good fruit. I believe the occult, voodoo, black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, and necromancy is dangerous , but can be used for the greater good.

    I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior and believe he died for my sins and rose from the dead. I pray most of my petitions in his name.

    Do you think I'm Christian? It's an honest question, because I'm unsure... guessing Christian
     
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  2. The Emperor of Mankind

    The Emperor of Mankind I poop out warp storms just coz...

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    I'd say you're closer to being Pagan than Christian. I'll explain why tomorrow after I've had some sleep.
     
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    Christo-Pagan, I guess. Much of Christianity is functionally Pagan as it is. It's all the same to me.
     
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  4. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I can see why God forbids the occult. It has the potential to unleash destructive powers and open a person up to malevolent spirits.

    I can also see why he was against the other Deities. People were sacrificing humans to them.

    However, the Bible says Yahweh is a jealous God. That is interesting because jealousy is one of the seven deadly sins. I beg him to reconsider and share with the other Deities. Many of them seem quite harmless.

    I'm just not feeling well with the Bible...my conscience tells me much of it is toxic. I'm quick to tell God the world needs a new Bible, new covenant, and new messaiah... maybe that's why God gives the world an Antichrist? ;)
     
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    most of what Christians do in present-day churches is rooted, not in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles.

    https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christ...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=H5Q791X86QAHTQBG09PF

    What I wonder, is say you attempt to remove all of the pagan elements, what are you left with? Judaism?
     
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    Judaism comes from Paganism, too.
     
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    Why do you need to define yourself as either Christian or Pagan? You are someone who is searching for truth and meaning. Isn't that enough for now?

    When you reach your goal, you may be Christian, pagan, or something entirely different to what you expected. Being open means a willingness to accept answers you may not necessarily expect or want.
     
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  8. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I'd be the last person on this forum to ever tell you that you're not Christian. If you identify as a Christian, who am I to say, "No, you're not." To me, you sound more pagan, though. I mean Jesus Christ said that He was the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. If you pray to other gods, then you're dismissing a pretty significant part of being a Christian. The Bible actually does make mention of gods other than the God of Christianity, and not always in a negative way. It says, for instance, that God is "the God of gods." That, IMO, would make Him even greater than if He were just "the God of men." But it also teaches that these other gods are in no way able to intervene on our behalf and that our only God should be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of Jesus Christ.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Yeah... true...I guess it was once important to me to not be Pagan. That's an ugly word amongst Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
     
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    If paganism is the best approach for you in your spiritual journey (not that I'm encouraging it), then you need to be comfortable with that identity. That means being less concerned about others negative perceptions.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I haven't prayed to Pagan Deities in a while , though I respect those who do.
    I'm not sure Scripture makes it clear that the other gods can't intervene on our behalf.

    Even if the gods are satanic...if... Satan can work miracles too.

    There are really only two other spirits I pray to. Mother Mary and a murdered girl named Denise Naslund who often visits me in my dreams and is associated with weird coincidences. Sometimes I make my petitions to whatever spirits are listening.
     
  12. SabahTheLoner

    SabahTheLoner Master of the Art of Couch Potato Cuddles

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    Christo-Pagan is a thing. I think there's even a Christian Wicca section in the Neo-Pagan DIR. Although if I have to take a pick Pagan is probably closer to your beliefs.
     
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  13. Carlita

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    I will be brutally honest. No jumping around the bush. :cool: I hope you don't take this the wrong way. I agree with what Adrian says too. No need to label yourself. Here are my thoughts rather than dictations.

    Only from this post, from first impressions, no I would say you are not.

    Anyone who wants to be a Christian and putting their devotion into becoming or living as a christian will be taking two steps forward and one step back. The doubting, changing faith, unsure, and all of that comes with the territory of spiritual growth and discernment.

    I can say safely what makes a christian, a "christian", is the believing and living the authority of the bible. If it were me and I said I were christian, all my advice, what I do, how I act, and what I say would be based on the bible and what god would tell me in prayer (both not either or integrated).

    The bible whether you learn and live it through a denomination or not would be your "sword and shield."

    The authority of the bible is a universal christian belief.

    The only spirit that comes from the Creator is the Holy Spirit-spirit of truth, love, and all of that. Other spirits are not spirits from god unless they are another word for angels?

    Many christians believe in other spirits. I wouldn't be surprised if they believed pagan deities existed.

    The crucial difference is they believe in the spirit of christ, in god, and through the holy spirit. Believing and believing in are two different things.

    I mean, I believe in the spirit of christ. I also believe in the spirit of my ancestors. That does not mean I believe in christ. Though, it does mean I believe in my ancestors.

    As you're growing as a christian, I agree with what @Katzpur says. The bible does mention other gods. If you're willing to follow the bible, you have to be willing to follow the "one true god." It's not overnight, but in my honest opinion, a sacrifice you may want to take if you're following the god of the bible.

    In Christianity, the only human that becomes god is christ. Another sacrifice but that is not something you should feel forced to give up but something you want to to serve the one true god. It doesn't come overnight; but, something to think about.

    If you are willing to follow christ from the bible I would suggest learning the authority of the bible and how it relates to god and vis versa. If the bible has errors, in christian view, that's like saying god made errors.

    If using the authority of the bible as your lifelong guide, I'd probably start understanding how the bible comes from god and the errors you speak of, are they from god or from people. Things to think about.

    Probably the same thing I said above. If you're following the christian faith, take some time to understand the authority of scripture and see if you are comfortable with your present views (which are OKAY) or do you find reasons to change because your findings are more accurate than the beliefs you have now.

    A lot of god-believers have these characteristics in their religion. You don't need to be christian to believe in god. Some people are christian but they are also synchronize with say African religions because of colonizations. It's not wrong because only you can decide, just if you're worshiping with the body of christ-the people-I would honestly feel you'd find more unity if you all think alike. That's basically what worship and believing in christ is. Worshiping as one body. Keeping christ alive through the body of his people.

    Reflect on your other beliefs and see if what you read in the bible and what god tells you outweigh or even disprove your current beliefs.

    I'm not advocating to be a christian but I don't know any denomination that has these beliefs together nor any christian I know.

    It starts with you, though. I mean, when you pray, do you experience any answers from god? (Something to answer on your own time, maybe)
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I get answers from God in my heart that tell me what I'm doing is okay
     
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    Follow god and you'll be okay. We can offer you our thoughts but god can offer you the truth. ;) Can't you tell I been around christians for too long? Ha.
     
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    gottalovemoses Im mad as Hell!

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    My honest first reaction was...look how confused some people get when they don't focus on Jesus Christ as the way, the truth and the life.
     
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    gottalovemoses Im mad as Hell!

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    functionally pagan? what?
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I focus on Jesus being the way the truth and the light. Jesus told me it's okay to pray to the dead and that the other gods do exist, but I feel he doesn't want me to pray to them anymore because some of them can be malevolent spirits.
     
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    gottalovemoses Im mad as Hell!

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    exactly
     
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    Religions don't form in a vacuum. They're all built on what came before. Christianity has absorbed and "Christianized" pre-Christian deities and practices from all over the world. Many early Saints and Martyrs are recycled Pagan deities whose cults became retrofitted to fit a Christian narrative. Mary, in her popular cult, has been built up into a quasi-goddess and syncreticized with local goddess around the world. Jesus was deified by his cult like so many other heroes before him when his cult couldn't accept that he died. Regardless of what the theologians say, the laity just kept on doing what they always did - praying to their gods for success in various areas of life, including believing in superstitions and practicing magic. In practice, there's not much difference between praying to St. Chistopher for a safe journey or praying to Hermes for the same.

    I'm not saying this as a criticism. This is just a sociological observation of human religious practice. Some are just in denial about it.
     
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