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Featured All these type of proofs will be shown to us, if we are ready.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Link, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. Link

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    Anyone tell me if they disagree from those who believe in religions, but if we are in ready state, and it's known we won't reject signs, they will be shown to us.


    There are the majestic signs of God's recitation, if we won't think that for example, humans and Jinn gathered to make it as a control mechanism, the true majestic recitation signs will be unveiled, or if we don't think x and z... but truly acknowledge the signs are from God, they will be shown. Allah (swt) veils only from those who if he unveils would increase them in rebellion. The same is true of the hidden world miracles in form of holy spirits and lights from God, the higher forms of the Guiding kings link to humanity, if we won't think they are misguiding Jinn or sorcery is being done upon us, but trust the trustworthiness of the spirits shown to us, we would be shown. And as for the physical type miracles, they will also be shown by the current guide of our time and he would come to us, if it was proven to him or at least it's highly probable we wont' reject him as a sorcerer and see all past Messengers and Guides as sorcerers!

    I know in Quran all of these type of signs were emphasized on with respect to guidance, the Guide and the family of the reminder. It's not just one of these signs that God would show to us, but we should just mentally prepare ourselves not to reject and it will be shown, all the type of majestic signs that together make a strong case, only stronger case is the day of judgment type reality which proves beyond doubt who the guides and witnesses are to all humans and Jinn.

    It can be also said the intellectual type proofs will be shown to us through understanding of the messages of the Prophets and their revelations to humanity as well.

    The thing is the only about guidance I believe right now that is different, there is no Messenger coming to the public with a message and there isn't public access to the Guide. But this is only temporary, eventually, the Guide will come to public with messages from God to clarify the last revelation (Quran) to humanity from my belief.

    So how do we access the guidance? We make ourselves ready, and pray and pray to be guided to the Guide of our time and that we see him and that God guides us by his hands.

    In this way, it's starts with faith in that which has been hidden (the signs) from humanity, but then the signs are witnessed as a result of this trust in God to show the signs.
     
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  2. Amanaki

    Amanaki Living in the moment

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    Wise words @Link :)
     
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  3. Link

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    Thanks!
     
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  4. Amanaki

    Amanaki Living in the moment

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    Very welcome :)
     
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    Do you mean for all their lives? And how do you know this?
    What are holy spirits and lights from God?
    What guiding Kings?
    What kind of sorcery?
    What spirits?
    such as?
    Who's that?
    Is this all about the 12 imams again?
    How do you know what God would show to us?
    Clarify a perfect book with everything in it?
     
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    Wasp, it's about the fact God proves things beyond doubt to the believers. It just takes a spirit of peaceful surrender to God's proofs and love of God's signs and the holy position of his guiding kings.
     
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  7. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    History is the greatest lesson to learn from.

    The question is answered when we consider who and how many accepted Christ and Muhammad in the early days. Not many.

    Those that were and are expecting a great display and an earthly king, still wait.

    Regards Tony
     
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  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    As an example the Jehovah Witnesses would say they have faith confirmed by God.

    Faith is relative to our choices and how we came to make those choices.

    Regards Tony
     
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    There are definitely signs folks ought to be paying attention to...

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  10. wizanda

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    We pay attention when someone on religious forums says I literally have the New name of the Messiah (Sananda), and I've been sent from Heaven with knowledge to help humanity.

    Many of the world's religious problems are due to people not listening at a fundamental level, if we can't do it on here, we're not going to succeed globally; if we succeed on here, mankind can learn from it.

    As for big signs, you honestly don't want them, the Great Tribulation that is discussed is global destruction, and the final Battle of Armageddon... Only enlightened angels will remain on earth after.

    43:60-61 And if We please, We could make among you angels to be successors in the land. And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  11. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    It's using psychology to convince people of something.

    I still say it takes a God to acknowledge a God. Not people.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    OK, maybe then you can help recognize that the religious texts say Zion Elohim (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7) is the name of the Messiah, as people don't pay proper attention since they are mortal.

    Zan in Hebrew is flock, Zion is David's flock.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    That doesn't help me at all to understand the various strange things you connected to Allah in your post. I fear you might not understand either.
     
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    I think @Link speak about sign in the time, like lack of morality, more crime, more rapes, less goodness toward others. but yes also earthquakes, floods and so on. Armageddon is said to be the last part of the destruction, but yes it looks like we get closer to it every day.
    In Buddhism, it is called dharma ending period
     
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  15. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    In Buddhism it is also referenced that Kalki from its Hindu contexts, comes to fight the Adharmic behaviour, and Maitreya comes as the Dharma deteriorates, both coming to restore the Way before an Age of Enlightenment (Satya Yuga).

    Both being sent from Shambhala (Place of Peace) to create a movement of people to fight the Adharmic theology.

    Same happens Biblically that the Rider on the White Horse coming from a Place of Peace (New Jerusalem), which is the 25th incarnation of Vishnu, comes to fight the sinful behaviour with the fire from its mouth.

    Christ in Revelation 19:12 at the Battle of Armageddon has been given many Crowns by the 24 Elders (Buddha, Krishna, Lao Tzu, etc), to coronate him for the plan of connecting all the religions as one (Zechariah 14:9), to fight people on Religious Forums.com in a Final Battle, before we create a universal theology between us, and we stop arguing about old books...

    That or mankind creates WW£$ in the Middle East for oil, and starts war for the monopoly of the IMF banking system; then God steps in to protect the planet (Revelation 11:18), and we keep the Enlightened Saints.

    Many think the Imam Mahdi will come first correctly identifying the Dajjal; the Quran repeats that the Messengers are Rightly Guided, with himself being shown this, to know the Bible contexts without advanced study.

    Thus Muhammad defines the Dajjal is the false texts in the Bible Canonization, which he was Rightly Guided to understand soon after that they edited the book... Thus Muhammad is the Imam Mahdi.

    The writing of John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter), instead of educate Gentiles about the Curse of Moses being placed by Yeshua (Zechariah 11, Deuteronomy 28) perform a big cover up, pretending it never happened, and grafting the Gentiles onto a Cursed Covenant....

    Yet we can all see Moses's Curse took place over the last two thousand years, where the Jews have been sent from nation to nation (Deuteronomy 28:64-66), where they eat each others flesh at the Second Temple destruction (Deuteronomy 28:53-55); so the Quran is right historically, and Rabbinic Judaism, and Christianity are wrong by definition of history.

    As for Christ back to fight the Dajjal from its Islamic perspective of destroying the Cross, and stopping the eating of Swine, which are both Adharmic actions, as no animals should be eaten, and human sacrifice is an abomination.

    The question remains if people are not going to listen to Christ on Religious Forums, a bigger movement will inevitably fail by its very nature; if we can't get people to listen on here, where they can study everything in their own time, anything bigger will its self lead to more calamity.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    You should not mix the teaching of Sakyamuni with the teaching from Hindu teaching, they are not the same :) Using words like Satya Yuga is not correct when Satya Yuga is not a part of Buddhist teaching (At least not in Theravada)
    I know you think mixing every teaching is ok to do, but after I spoke to Buddhist monks they informed me that Yes mostly all religions are correct and lead toward some form of enlightenment, But we can only follow one path at the time, because there are certain techniques we perform that should not be mixed with other teachers. Even A Theravada Buddhist should not use teaching from Zen or Tibetan Buddhism, because they have different original teachers/buddhas/Bodhisattvas.

    Second of all Christ is not a member of this Forum ;)
     
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  17. LuisDantas

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    Anyone willing to explain to me whether the OP only looks like a statement that Abrahamic theists can sometimes convince themselves by circular claims?
     
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    Looks like a very long version of - well people who really, really want to believe something will be more likely to think they've found a good reason to do so.
     
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  19. LuisDantas

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    Yes, that is exactly what I can make of the OP. Thanks.
     
  20. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Revelation 10:11 explains that God speaks from many languages and nations; God is One, and the ideas presented were originally one, until people became more argumentative to divide them into clerical sects, whilst missing the wider understanding.
    I'd need to study your sect; Tibetan Buddhism accepts the ideas presented about Kalki, and thus Kali Yuga by definition of the textual contexts.

    Found this post on Googling:
    There is only one path, many different ways to climb it; more techniques makes it easier.

    It is like stepping stones across a river of consciousness, the more stones we have to support our steps, the quicker we get across.

    It is like a mountain with a steep climb, where with more ropes, preparation, and understandings, we can climb every last point with ease or we can struggle with only one known route, as no one dared to attempt other climbs.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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