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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Barry Johnson, May 3, 2021.

  1. Barry Johnson

    Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    Yes salvation is available for everyone . But Everyone has to go through Jesus . And that ' way ' is exclusively through believing the Gospel. The gospel today is 1 cor 15 1-4 . No one can be saved if they reject the death ,burial and resurrection for our sins .
     
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    What do you mean by "exclusive truth claim"? How is it different from your basic off the shelf "truth claim"?
     
  3. Barry Johnson

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    No, the very same truth claims from their founders / central figure are contradicting each other on the very fundamental level . Its not the followers its the truth claim themselves.
     
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    But it is your opinion that the Bible IS the standard. You've assumed this same thing when you claimed the Bible invalidates the Quran. You don't seem aware of your role in this. The Bible has no inherent authority.
     
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  5. Barry Johnson

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    Islam says that Jesus did not die for the sins of the world on the cross, nor was resurrected. They reject that Jesus is Lord ( God) . These are the fundamental beliefs of Christianity and no one can be saved if they reject these . By contrast in Islam if you claim to believe the above no one can saved in Islam.
     
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    That's the Christian religion, its not the religion that Jesus taught before the tragic cross and destruction of the unbelieving Jews, their Temple, their city and their nation.
     
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    How about that. It's a whole other religion. Christianity has no authority over other religions.
     
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  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Christianity has no "authority" at all. It's just the term for a particular set (edit: or spectrum, rather) of beliefs and practices; nothing more.
     
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    Right. The only "authority" Christianity has is whatever a believer gives it authority over their lives. So the authority comes from the believer, and has no power beyond the self. I see many believers wanting their personal judgment to apply to all humans, as if they are God themselves.
     
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    Wrong. The one God of the universe/universes is behind almost all religions. People from different religions call God different names, and they understand and explain God in different ways but they all is pointing to the same God. God who is the source of this exsistence.

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  11. Barry Johnson

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    Exactly. They all cannot be just different vehicles to arrive at the same destination as some seem to imply .
     
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    I see a person's god(s) as an expression of their values. Different people have different values, so they have different gods.
     
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    You posted for me as well.
     
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  14. Meandflower

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    Yes it can
     
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    I believe Jesus is the way. But, I think this is not so simple matter as one could first think. Jesus is the way, because Jesus is the one who decides or determines what is required. This doesn’t necessary mean that people who have not heard of him don’t have any chance. Jesus has told the key to eternal life is righteousness.

    These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
    Mat. 25:46

    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Romans 6:23

    It is possible that person who has not heard of Jesus can be counted righteous by this:

    For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified (for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying with them, and their thoughts among themselves accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.
    Romans 2:12-16

    So, it may be that person living in a different culture has that right understanding, wisdom of the just, and he ca be counted righteous and have eternal life.
     
  16. KerimF

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    Please correct me if I say something not real to you.
    I used hearing that Pagans were also supposed to have faith in their gods (goddesses) in order to be saved (in one way or another) in the afterlife.
     
  17. Rival

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    There's no one 'Paganism', so it's likely some will and some won't.
     
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  18. Rival

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    What about polytheistic religions?
     
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    One possible reason you're saying that is because that's the impression you've gotten so far from what you've read so far. Another possible reason is that you've espoused certain beliefs and you will defend those beliefs no matter what. Are you interested in examining this topic with me?
     
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    You are right there is no one Paganism.
    Do you mean some pagans don't have one or more idols to worship, praise and obey?
    Thank you.
     
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