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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Barry Johnson, May 3, 2021 at 5:36 AM.

  1. Barry Johnson

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    Some seem to object to the exclusive claims of Christianity. That the Gospel is the ONLY way ,that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven ,that by believing that he died for all our sins , was buried and rose again . That this alone is the only option there is to heaven and eternal life .
    But I believe all our claims are exclusive .Even the claim ' all roads lead to the same God " claim ,this is exclusive and rules out the individual claim of another .
    Often its made to sound ' tolerant ' ( The new fashionable, buzz word )
    " All truth is relative " again, another exclusive truth claim.
    " Thats true for you , but not true for me " hmmm lol ?
    I used to believe that all religions were just ' sign posts ' to the same goal . Just different ways to express or reach the same goal " Again this is a exclusive claim.
    Thoughts?
     
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    Salvation is by faith alone.

    All sincere faith children of God who are saved by faith in God will pass through the administration of our Creator Son, aka Jesus of Nazareth who is himself God.

    The Son didn't teach that we were supposed to sacrifice him for Sins. That was added later.
     
  3. Barry Johnson

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    Again that's an exclusive truth claim for today. Which doesn't take into consideration that yes , salvation is by Faith today ,but faith in what ?
     
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    This is not Christianity, which im sure you agree? You would have to give a viable reason why the entire bible gives the theme of the atonement all throughout ? Your making quite the claim there.

    John 1:29

    “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
    Luke 24 kjv

    44¶And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

    46¶And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
     
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    Faith in God, all sincere faith is directed at the only God that there is regardless of the limitations of humans and their concepts.
     
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    All roads to not lead to God

    Roads that teach violence and hate is important do not lead to God

    Only roads that teach goodness, kindness, justice is important lead to God
     
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    Works is more important than faith. You have to be kind, loving to others to be saved.
     
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    That's an opinion . Many people have them . There's entire libraries full of mans opinion .
     
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    Is that just your opinion?
     
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    Ok, I have a viable reason that the practice of "blood atonement" is found throughout the very young religion(s) of the Bible. Blood sacrifice was a universal practice of ALL evolved religions around the world. Biblical prophets even spoke out against it, but the priest class would always return to it. Jesus didn't teach it. Jesus taught that God is a forgiving Father, he taught sincere repentance if needed and a change of heart not a change of ceremony.
     
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    This is an exclusive truth claim. Again it contradicts how the bible explains how we are saved today ,but yes this is on point with the OP .
     
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    This thread is about Barry Johnsons opinion against any others that don't agree with him. The Bible is full of speculation and conjecture about God. And those human opinions change over time.
     
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    So what are you doing with all the verses that contradict you ? What process are you using to believe one verse over another . Jesus is literally saying over and over what he is going to do . 'the death , burial and resurrection ' . You seem to be coming at this really bizarrely? Which parts of the bible are true and false and what system are you using to decide lol I'm genuinely confused by you .
     
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    You are confusing faith with belief. Belief about something that happened in the past and the rituals and traditions around those beliefs isn't faith. Belief becomes faith when it shapes the mode of all aspects of living. A life consecrated to doing the will of the Father will naturally bear the fruits of works. Loving others and serving is central to a life of Living Faith.
     
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    Again "The Bible is full of speculation and conjecture about God. And those human opinions change over time."This is your claim, an exclusive claim, And yet you quote the bible and use the bible to support your claims? There's some hypocrisy and contradictions here ? What is your beliefs ? Are they shared by others ? Is there a book / guru,/ teacher that you follow ? I'm curious to what your religion is. Is it just you ?
     
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    Which verses are you referring to ? And as your picking and choosing the verses why are the ones you pick true and others ' made up ' ?
     
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    I'm pointing to the bible as my standard not my opinion . I believe the bible is true , That its from God and God cannot lie .
     
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    Why do you believe this ?
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    There is no road.
     
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