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Featured ALL RELIGIONS: How do you justify meat eating?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by ronki23, May 23, 2019.

  1. The Anointed

    The Anointed Well-Known Member

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    Cain was a vegetarian, and gave some of his harvest as an offering to God, which offering was rejected, while Abel slaughtered the first born lamb of one of the sheep of his flock and gave the best parts of it as an offering to the Lord, and the Lord was pleased with the offering of Abel. That's good enough for me. I love a nice roasted leg of lamb, with baked potatoes, pumpkin and beans, with gravy and mint capers, yummy, yummy.
     
  2. Road Less Traveled

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    Some have said that the creature didn’t physically die in vain, or also that it’s better off to no longer have to suffer, battle harsh conditions to survive, run around in circles just doing what it was programmed to do. Or some have said the animal, without choice, made a selfless sacrifice to nourish.

    What I cannot justify is the food chain in general. Such a farm factory, and always at the expense of something else. Personally, I’d rather not have to eat. Unfortunately this biological machine has chompers and needs satiated.

    If the practice of others is due to texts, perhaps meat can refer to what is being consumed by one’s mind.

    I personally don’t judge others by what they eat in a literal sense, as someone else mentioned that a lot of things vegetarians eat were also once living. And even without the food consumption... there are an array of products we use that most are even oblivious to that use the contents of animals.
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    "Jeevo jeevasya Bhojanam" (One life form is food for another life form).

    "Ahastāni sahastānām, apadāni catuṣ-padām;
    phalgūni tatra mahatāṁ, jīvo jīvasya jīvanam."
    Srimad Bhagawatham 1.13.47

    (Those who are devoid of hands are prey for those who have hands; those devoid of legs are prey for the four-legged. The weak are the subsistence of the strong, and the general rule holds that one living being is food for another.)
     
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    My family has always eaten small portions of meat and lots of veggies. For us its about moderation and balance.
     
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  5. Vinayaka

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    God on you for mentioning this.

    The mental diet consists of TV we watch, books we read, discussion we enter. If an individual constantly watches violent TV, reads similar books, and enters discussion with like minded hateful individuals, surely he's to be avoided more than some random meat eater.

    And yet we have as much self control regarding what enters the mind as what enters the mouth.
     
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  6. Road Less Traveled

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    If that awareness, self control, and sound compass is developed... I’d agree that such is true.
     
  7. Vinayaka

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    Some people have no self-control with either the mouth or the mind. Others have a great deal of self-control over both.
     
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    Yep, and that's great, imo.

    I actually prefer going avo-lacto vegetarian, and have done so periodically, but my wife has trouble with this because when she has done it with me for an extended period of time, it seems to weaken her immunity system. So, our compromise is to do what you're doing.
     
  9. Goodman John

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    I eat meat regularly and I feel there is no need to justify the act. Food is food, period. If one wants to limit themselves as a personal choice (and yes, following one's religious tenets is a personal choice) that's their business.
     
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  10. Wandering Monk

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    Wonder how other carnivores justify eating meat?

    Humans have canine teeth for tearing things. We evolved to be omnivores.
     
  11. Saint Frankenstein

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    No need to justify it as we are animals and meat eating is part of nature. Humans are not above nature. All lifeforms must feed on other lifeforms to survive. I believe scientific research has shown that our meat eating habits helped our brains to grow so large. Vedic Hinduism wasn't vegetarian, either. They sacrificed animals like all Indo-European peoples did, as the Proto-Indo-Europeans were pastoralists who raised cattle for trade and sustenance. The popularity of vegetarianism in India seems to be a later occurance due to the influence of Buddhism and Jainism.
     
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    I assume this God created nature, right? So he created animals to eat each other. Take it up with him. Sometimes humans are eaten, too.
     
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    You don't spend much time around trees, do you? Some trees are thousands of years old. True ancients, but you belittle them.
     
  15. Saint Frankenstein

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    It's already hard enough to get nutritious food, yet you want to punish poor people more. It's like how raising the cost of cigs is just punishing poor and working class people more. Upper class people can still afford those things and often pay more for higher quality products anyway. Fish, lean meat and chicken are very good for you so trying to punish people for eating it is unconscionable and extreme.
     
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    You're wrong about the appendix: Your Appendix Might Serve an Important Biological Function After All

    As for cannibalism, much of that was more likely eating of dead bodies and not actually killing people to eat them. It's hard to find accurate information about this since a lot of it comes from atrocity propaganda from colonialism or by some other enemy discussing a group.
     
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  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    It is also a matter of tradition. If my community is non-veg., then being non-veg. is no harm to me. Going any further than that is a personal choice. I would say it is good, if you can manage it. But I won't force myself to it.
    And even that is limited to 30% Hindus. 70% are non-vegetarians.
    You mean you believe your actions have no consequences? If they have, then it is 'karma'. :)
    If the Buddhists think that way, they need to revise their thinking.
    All the time and I am sure of that. The electrons, neutrons and protons in Sodium and Chlorine part of salt have always been whirring just like they do in a human body. 'All this here is Brahman' (Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma).
     
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  18. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    There are life forms which you cannot put clearly in either vegetable kingdom or in Animal kingdom.
    Is it a plant? Is it an animal? Meet the organisms who don't like labels
    https://www.google.com/search?q=life+forms+which+are+nither+vegetation+nor+animals
    Ah, like the mango tree from which I got the mangoes. Just like the cow from which I got the milk for my tea. Best of both worlds.
    "Murgā bhi nahin marā, aur khāne wāle ko bhi mazā āyā"
    (The cock also was not killed, and the eater also got his pleasure). :D
     
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    Well, I have seen people who have had appendix operations, years back, and they seem fine to me.

    Laparoscopic Appendix Removal (Appendectomy) Surgery Patient Information

     
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