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Featured ALL RELIGIONS: How do you justify meat eating?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by ronki23, May 23, 2019.

  1. blü 2

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    And perhaps you're forgetting all the species of microorganisms that live in our gut because we eat meat and wouldn't if we didn't.
    Well, we would say that, wouldn't we.
    Fair enough. But that's a practical question before it's a moral question ─ don't eat animals because of the consequences, ahead of don't eat animals because they're our fellow living critters.
     
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  2. Marcion

    Marcion Tantra-Yoga Universalist

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    There can be different reasons for not wanting to kill animals.
    I think that sacrificing an animal life to save a human being is only justified in emergencies.

    Humans can survive very well without slaughtering or hunting animals so there is no real need for them to kill them on a regular basis. Killing withouth necessity is immoral.
     
  3. blü 2

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    What if the animal wouldn't exist if it wasn't bred for human consumption?
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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  5. Marcion

    Marcion Tantra-Yoga Universalist

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    Manipulating animal/human procreation does not give you an automatic right to do with the animal/human what you want. Living creatures have their own intrinsic value and their own individual personality.
    Wild boar did not choose to be bred into pigs nor did wild bovines choose to be bred into cows with gigantic udders.
     
  6. Vinayaka

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    I'm all for any individual choosing what to eat. The information is out there.
    There is information on environmental effects, health effects, and much much more. Anybody on their own can research a whole lot about vegetarianism and make an informed decision. They can also go to a doctor and get comprehensive blood tests and discuss that with a nutritionist.

    With that in mind, I don't see why anyone feels it's their duty to preach about it either way.
     
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    So vegetarianism is the only option in nature? Then why are we omnivores?
     
  8. Marcion

    Marcion Tantra-Yoga Universalist

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    It is the duty of every moral person to help stop global warming and help stop the suffering of sentient beings.

    Force is not the answer, but there should be a heavy taxation on non-vegetarian foods, at least doubling the price and increasing further (like wth tobacco).
     
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    Many animals are meat eaters, and having some as such is important for most ecosystems so as to create balance. Some animals unchecked can be very destructive, such as what the Aussies found out when rabbits ravaged the country.

    Chimps and gorillas, our closest ancestors, ate meat but only sporadically. Early humans ate meat occasionally, which was necessary for large brain growth because of all the energy and protein needed. However, dairy and eggs can also supply such needs.

    Here in the west especially, we eat way too much meat for our own health and the health of our environment.
     
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  10. Vinayaka

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    Indeed, but you can only change yourself. Preaching often actually backfires. It makes people even more determined than ever to counter whatever argument they're being preached to.
     
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    Humans are natural omnivores. Eating meat isn't wrong, although we should strive to minimize both suffering and waste. The meat industry is inefficient and costly environmental strain.
     
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  12. Marcion

    Marcion Tantra-Yoga Universalist

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    People are social beings, they influence each other all the time.
    Preaching to people, talking to them in an accusing or condescending way obviously never helps, but questioning, advising and informing them does. I've seen and heard that for myself at one of the Cube of Truth outreaches in my home town
     
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    We will differ then. To me, your tone does sound condescending and self righteous. Of course I'm just the village idiot, and have no idea how to read tone.

    It reminds me so much of the many discussions I've had with Baha'i folks insisting their 'sharing' wasn't proselytising. Maybe some links to some scholarly articles on the benefits of a vegetarian diet would help. Of course anyone could find those by using a search engine.
     
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  14. Marcion

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    I'm sorry you feel that way. You will probably see this as preaching then too (not my style, but I don't consider this preaching):

     
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    While I relished non-vegetarian dishes, I hated going to the butcher shop for meat, having to watch terror-stricken birds and animals with cut throats jumping and screaming in panic.

    I decided to be vegetarian as I did not like watching this horror show.

    Also there are many benefits to vegetarianism.

    I have noticed that I have a slim waist and younger looking body with less fat, in comparison to my non-vegetarian relatives and friends who put on weight easily. Many of them waste money in gyms and health camps trying to tone their bulging bodies. I have even been complimented for my better looks by non-vegetarians themselves.

    Vegetarian diet also have been considered healthier as incidence of heart and cardiovascular diseases , cancer are comparatively lower for vegetarians as opposed to non-vegetarians.

    Research has also shown that vegetarianism is associated with lower incidence of cancer, cardiovascular diseases and better immune system.

    http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/foods-for-cancer-prevention

    Vegetarianism can reduce risk of heart disease by up to a third | University of Oxford

    And it is also great for the environment, and helps reduce global warming.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-vegetarianism-dangerous-global-warming#img-1

    How going vegetarian will help save the world

    Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: We should stop polluting our planet. Say no to plastic, Use as little plastic as possible. Recycle..Use recycled things. Use chemical free shampoos and soaps as far as possible. Go organic, I would recommend everyone to become vegetarian. You know, if we pay attention on the consumption that takes place to produce one non-vegetarian meal, feeding the animal etc.., it is equivalent to 400 vegetarian meals. So, I recommend everyone to turn vegetarian. Environmentalists say that if even 10 percent of the population turns vegetarian, we will not have the problem of this green house effect.

    So, even from a secular perspective, you can see that vegetarianism can contribute a lot.

    Imho, vegetarianism also cultivates a culture of non-violence and sensitivity, which are potent qualities or virtues in itself and necessary for a healthy human society.
     
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    It's what my canine teeth were designed for; tearing into and ripping meat apart.

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    If god didn't want me to eat meat then why give me teeth designed for it?


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    Argument is you don't need to eat meat; you can choose not to
     
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    Yup, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that at one time god recognized mans' need to eat it and thus provided the means to do so. Hence, he is just fine with killing animals for food. It's only modern day grass eaters who have sentimentalized animals and adopted a "Save the Animals" mentality, and who contrive reasons not to eat Big Macs thinking it's healthier for you. It isn't. In fact, it can rob you of needed Vitamin D, Zinc, and iron, and has been shown to lead to anemia, anxiety, depression, and eating disorders.

    But what the hell; eat what you like, just leave your Only Meanies Eat Meat pamphlet on someone else's door step. I'll be in the back yard with my grill and baby back ribs.:)

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    The slaughtering of animals for human consumption can no longer be justified on the basis of meat tasting better than plants; the impossible burger has a plant-based patty practically indistinguishable from a beef patty, . Please support our soy bean farmers along with our environment, have an Impossible Burger that'll soon be available at a Burger King near you. The Impossible Burger's meat-like taste will make lots of vegetarians out of meat-lovers.


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    Not only that but humans have their eyes not on the side like herbivores but right in front of their faces like carnivore predators
     
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