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Featured All 3 Abrahamic Religions Have It Wrong Based on the Tanakh

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    I have a pretty good idea who he is.

    Yeah, uh no. His weapon is the vēl (pronounce vey-l), a spear, javelin. What are "demons of Salvation"? Tārakāsura was a bad guy who repeatedly waged war on the gods until Sri Kartikeya (aka Murugan, Subramaniya, Skanda) kicked his butt.
     
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  2. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Yet the question is, was it clear to you?

    Like do you now acknowledge and understand that YHVH/Yeshua Elohim is the son of El for example?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Good job, you spent 14 years on reading what someone else have translated and never bothered to learn the language of the Book you claim to know to be able to read the original.

    I do not believe that you are an arch angel...
     
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  4. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The Yantra is a projection from the third eye of Skanda, which manifests a reality we see in the Maya...i.e. Christianity is to catch out the Raktabīja according to the prophets in texts globally, and Kali Yuga is the Dark ages, we've seen whilst the Mother of All Harlots in the Bible has existed over this world.

    Plus it hasn't finished yet, the next bit is to remove them by fire, and then just leave the saints in this world (Satya Yuga)...

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  6. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    With Esword Bible software, we can use Strongs reference numbers to search, rather than using words; as it gets all instances, regardless of translation or spelling.

    The language needs re-deciphering from ancient Hebrew without Masoretic vowel points, as they have imposed an Arabic Tri Root system onto a language that has two letter words; yet after first understanding properly some of the basics of the prophecies presented...

    Teaching people where John, Paul, and Simon contradict Yeshua has been a bigger priority.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    What Tumah has said is indeed sufficient, and its best not to border on insults. Insults are not good form and don't lead to civil conversation. Its not against forum rules to believe unusual things, but it is against the rules to insult intelligence. We can call someone's argument stupid, but that is where we draw the line. If it helps just think of this place as an ambassor's residence, and you are an ambassador who must be careful to communicate your country's wishes without starting a war.
     
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  8. W3bcrowf3r

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    Man, i thought that i was guilty of believing things before doing proper research. But you.., stay away from religion, it's doing you more harm then good! Religion is simple, love God and love your neighbor. But you make it so hard by believing all these theories you find on the web..

    If you do not know Hebrew or Greek, then you won't be able to be 100% of what you are reading. Translations are most of the time made by sectarians who are changing details in what they believe they should be..

    John, Simon and Paul were Apostles and Disciples of Jesus Christ. That's what the New Testament teaches. And learning Hebrew isn't that hard, you don't have to 're-decipher' Hebrew, Hebrew is being spoken by a whole state in Israel, they teach it in their schools etc., it's a living language, just like Greek in Greece.

    I think you go to far man with your theories. Stick with what Scripture says in the original language. Stay away from those google articles who are using you as clickbait.
     
  9. wizanda

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    Esword with the right Bible's installed has the Hebrew+ and Greek+ versions, so we can check every single word against tons of reference materials.
    Modern Greek is no longer like ancient Greek, and people get there is a difference between those. ;)

    In my opinion.
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  10. Jainarayan

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  11. W3bcrowf3r

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    Where does Zechariah 3:9 say that the stone will mislead the whole world? Can u post the verse/translation you are using? That verse doesn't even talk about what you claim it to talk about.
    Jesus Christ was praying for Simon because Satan wanted to mislead Simon, since Satan wants to mislead everyone, even Jesus Christ. So again, i disagree with you about Luke 22:31-32.

    Umm i agree with you about how the anti Christ wants to use the term God for himself. That's what most 'Christians' teach nowadays, i believe they have been mislead by the anti Christ.

    I disagree with you about Paul. Paul was an Disciple, an Apostel. And the Disciples mentioned him, and Simon said that Paul is hard to understand, since he was very knowledgeable both in the Law and in the Gospel!

    There is not much difference in modern Greek, Hebrew and Arabic with the 1-2k year old ones. So that's a claim of yours that i disagree with as well. I am learning them, so i can speak with experience.
     
  12. wizanda

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    KJV: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove 'this' (H853 - specific entity being referenced) iniquity
    Yeshua was the one who claimed it by him naming Simon the stone; this is clear when we realize Zechariah 3:1-2 reference Mark 8:31-33, where he rebukes Simon as being satan.
    If Yeshua said Simon would be misled by satan, and Paul makes a mess of understanding prophecy, as he's trying to make Yeshua fit into Pharisaic Judaism; then what was prophesied about the Tares being planted soon after, happened clearly.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  13. W3bcrowf3r

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    For your own information, the KJV is based on the self made Greek Text made by Erasmus. Erasmus couldn't even complete hes Greek New Testament while there was a Greek Church in Jerusalem and Antioch, so he didn't bother to go to them and ask for a copy, but completed hes self made Greek New Testament with verses borrowed from a Latin translation of the New Testament..

    So go back to the interlineair Hebrew Bible and post Zechariah 3:9. And lets see what kind of cake you are going to bake for us.

    I disagree with you about Zechariah 3:1-2 as well. An English translation:
    Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of YHVH, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And YHVH said unto Satan, YHVH rebuke
    thee, O Satan; even YHVH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

    Mark 8:31-33 is talking about how Simon was afraid for Jesus Christ because he heard that he would be crucified.. It's not that Simon is Satan or something.., Jesus Christ called him the Stone.. And Zechariah 3 is talking about Joshua the high priest..

    I disagree with you with interpretation here.

    Umm, i think you do not understand Paul. And you were to fast in jumping on the anti-Paul hate train.
     
  14. wizanda

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    As already saying in Esword Bible software, with the KJV+ we can check every word in Hebrew+ & Greek+...

    The words 'and i will remove this iniquity' makes the context more specific in Zechariah 3:9.
    Did Already post the Biblehub Hebrew Text Analysis, so you could see the word missed in translation.
    Satan means an accuser, and since Simon didn't get the prophecies concerning Yeshua, his accusations were the part unmerited, and the reason being is Yeshua explained he came to cut off Jerusalem (Zechariah 11), as he revealed how prophecy was fulfilled it says...

    So there is an accurate assumption that Simon was saying let not these things happen to Yeshua; yet he and Judas went to the Sanhedrin that day (John 18:15-17), which is why he then denies him three times on the way back...

    Thus why did the Sanhedrin know Simon? :eek:

    Yeshua knew something we didn't that Simon was overly Pharisaic, thus him calling him the Stone (petros) was a prophetic utterance.

    Simon didn't go around telling Judah they were cut off after, and instead went around telling people they're saved by believing he came to die. :(
    Having spent 14 years debating this list against Paul, most people's arguments are weak, and are often very naive using their presuppositions to supplant the data.

    Here is a list of award winning theologians
    who've also recognized some of Paul's errors....

    The clearest tho is this Point overall:

    Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19)...

    Therefore when Paul teaches we get an inheritance because jesus acted like an animal sin sacrifice, the guy was totally insane, if he thinks the Torah/Tanakh can be used to substantiate such claims.

    Which if we check history, the people of the time thought that, with James the Just head of the Ebionites and Church of Jerusalem standing against Pauline Christianity.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    just a side note -- the text of Zech 3:9 doesn't say "this iniquity"

    וּמַשְׁתִּי אֶת־עֲוֺן הָאָרֶץ־הַהִיא בְּיוֹם אֶחָד

    and I will remove that country’s guilt in a single day.
     
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    I read your post but do not understand 1) what religionists have wrong 2) what your point is. Jesus is God in all four gospels, not just the synoptics.
     
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    Total KJV Occurrences: 236
    iniquity - 172, iniquities - 49, punishment - 9, fault - 2, punishments - 2, mischief - 1, sin - 1

    BDB Definition:
    1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
    1a) iniquity
    1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
    1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity

    Exodus 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity (H5771) of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,

    People being 'guilty' is a reason to remove them from reality; yet them being charged with 'iniquity' is a verdict.

    In my opinion.
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    The point is Yeshua is the Lord (YHVH), and the Lord is the Son of the God Most High (Psalms 89:6, Psalms 29:1).

    Yeshua said the Jews two thousand years ago did not know his father (Matthew 11:27), and most people don't today; Yeshua's father is El Elyon (Luke 1:32).

    The Gospel of John has a different theological structure, and thus muddies the water in terms of what was stated.
    Multiple things:
    • Christians think Yeshua is the son of YHVH.
    • Muslims think Yeshua is not the son of Allah (God Most High).
    • Jews think Yeshua isn't throughout the Tanakh.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Yes, certainly one of the meanings for avon is "iniquity" (though, clearly, not the only one) but there is no "this". There is a "that land/country".
     
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    Used the word 'this' as to be item specific with את־עון as it points at the entity being referenced; thus the stone is being referenced as having the iniquity upon it.

    The whole World is cleansed of the iniquity in a Day Isaiah 24, Isaiah 34, etc.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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