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Alex Jones to pay 49.3 million in Sandy Hook civil case.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by fantome profane, Aug 5, 2022.

  1. 74x12

    74x12 Well-Known Member

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    And there is zero reason to believe that Alex Jones caused any such danger. At least not for rationally minded people who look at this case objectively. You would need to prove intent.
     
  2. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Actually, I don't have to prove anything of the kind. The plaintiffs proved that to the satisfaction of a jury -- perhaps you've heard that's how things work in the US, but maybe you missed it.
     
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  3. fantome profane

    fantome profane Real men protect woman’s rights.
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    I don’t need to prove anything. The court determined liability.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I'm often amazed at how very little some people understand about what they say. And especially when it comes to "freedom of speech." Conservatives especially (this is my opinion only) seen particularly susceptible to really getting it wrong.

    Let me offer up a hypothetical (so the Mods don't nail me): Am I free to say, because "to say" is just speech, that Beau Biden didn't die of brain cancer, his father actually murdered him -- and more than that, that I have certain "proofs" that I can't reveal?

    Would I be free to declare that (through devious means) I've discovered the identity of @74x12, and that he defrauded his last company of over a million dollars and should never be hired again?

    Or, if I said such things -- things that have the raw power to severely damage the lives of real people -- should I not be required to prove my contentions, and if I cannot, to either retract them or suffer the consequences of doing real and permanent social, moral, financial or other damage to innocent people?

    No, I think I'm learning something about many so-called "conservatives" these days: they like the rules, they like "law and order" so long as it delivers what they want, and will tear it all to shreds when it doesn't.

    Welcome to fascism. That's how it starts.
     
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  5. 74x12

    74x12 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we already know you approve of the court which is rigged. That was my point in the first place.
     
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    Sure it did. Keep telling yourself that. You're just ignorant. I don't care what you think. I don't even know why I'm arguing with you.
     
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    You would know. Your liberal government is fascist. :D
     
  8. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Powerful arguments, those! Wow, however did you come up with them?

    I'm "ignorant" and my "government is fascist." Should I be put down now?

    As to why you're arguing with me, that's over to you. I have no idea.
     
  9. fantome profane

    fantome profane Real men protect woman’s rights.
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    We? How many are you? Is that the royal “we”? Or are you the borg collective? 74X12=888. Interesting.
     
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    Anyone with common sense.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I wonder what the reaction would be if the tables were ever turned?
     
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    Anyone that listens to Alex Jones is not "rationally minded". Alex Jones is responsible for what he tells his idiots to do. There is no need to "prove intent". In fact that probably was not his intent. Alex Jones was found to be culpable because he was the one that told lies, that he even admitted were lies, that caused his followers to attack other people. And he made millions of dollars doing it. That is why the punishments are as large as they have been.
     
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    How could the have been turned? Give us an example.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I didn't say they were turned.

    I said if the tables were turned. o_O
     
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    I consider it a high compliment when I'm told that someone can't tell when I'm joking and when I'm serious.

    A jury has decided that Jones is/was financially liable. I didn't follow the trial and I'm not commenting on that.
     
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    And I am asking for a hypothetical example of it. If you cannot think of one it speaks rather poorly of those that follow Alex Jones.
     
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    Your not even making sense.
     
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    No, I am making very good sense. But I could think of a possible reversal. You can't seem to think of any fanatics on the side what would be called "the left". I can think of people that would misunderstand reality. They could even be possibly as bad as followers of Alex Jones.
     
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    When a Dem gets charges of sexual misconduct laid against him?
    Oh, wait, no, they don't survive that like Reps do. Bad example.
     
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    Well just look at it this way. They supported social media giants (monopolies really) censoring speech and now they support the government using courts to censor and suppress speech. Alex Jones is just the test case. From here they can go after other talk shows and anyone who questions any "official" narratives. There is no Alex Jones exception. It's about going after people's ability to question things and think for themselves.

    So ... my point is that they will always support silencing the opposition but once they've violated all rights then they also will have no rights. We'll see how they like it. I already said they get what they deserve.
     
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