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Alec Baldwin Killed More People Than My Guns Have

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bodie, Oct 27, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    As a vegetarian that is not an issue, other people who are not vegetarians may give a different answer.
     
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    Ironically Shakespear was considered cheap, bawdy and low brow during his time. We just don't see all the lewd jokes in old English.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's a good philosophical approach, commendable, but not very practical in the non philosophical world.
     
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    Has not been any problem by living a vegetarian pacifistic lifestyle so far.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Well that's a good thing.
     
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    I actually find myself preferring the movies made in Britain. More acting, less special effects.

    Kind of tired of all the super hero movies being put out by Hollywood.
     
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  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    That is most certainly NOT true of Shakespeare. The fact that Robert Greene -- university educated by not remotely as successful as Shakespeare -- was jealous enough to refer to him as this "upstart crow," in his "Groat's Worth of Wit" doesn't alter the fact that his troop was known as "The Lord Chamberlain's Men" and later "The King's Men," and were among the most important performers in the kingdom.

    It is true that the histories (rather than the tragedies or comedies) were the most sought-after plays in his day, but his best-selling work was his long poem, Venus and Adonis.

    And he managed to earn enough, as part owner of the Globe and through his investments and so forth, to buy the second largest home in his town of Stratford-upon-Avon, as well as own several properties in London.

    Not bad for a guy with just a grammar-school education.
     
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    Yes, vegetables aren't known for running very fast. I've found them pretty easy to sneak up on too. :D

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    Shakes was Early Modern English. Just to be nit picky and annoying lol
    And there are actually books that translate all his bawdy jokes for you
     
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    Oh he was successful, no doubt. But he was still considered bawdy and lewd. Which is true, as there are numerous subtle and not so subtle innuendos, up to and including boner jokes, boob jokes, prostitute jokes, syphilis jokes, etc etc.
    All of which earned lots of criticism from people like Tolstoy and (during his later life) Voltaire. Criticisms ranged from 'immoral' to 'savage' to 'an enormous dunghill.' That it became popular with the common people only further entrenched the elitists.

    Shakespeare was regarded by some the way superhero movies are now. Wildly popular with occasional original ideas and a lot of immaturity.
     
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    I want to hear it in original pronunciation which sounds like pirate talk to modern listeners. But I guess it's slightly faster? So it throws off cue times.
     
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  12. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I am, of course, well aware of what Shakespeare wrote. (Look up Sonnet 135 if you like, and while reading it, remember that Elizabethans used the word "Will" to mean what we do, but also passion, uncontrollable lust -- and the body parts, male and female, that play such an important role in those. And of course, it was his name. I'll post it below, so you can see just how filthy it was.")

    But he did so much more. His explorations of character are insanely good. Iago, in Othello, but even more, Othello himself. You meet him at the beginning full of the dignity of his office, and witness his fall due to jealousy. Then at the end, you can actually watch, if you pay attention, as he brings himself back to that former dignity and sentences himself as he knew that he should be sentenced -- and carries it out. Read:

    Sonnet 135
    Whoever hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,
    And Will to boot, and Will in overplus;
    More than enough am I, that vex thee still,
    To thy sweet will making addition thus.
    Wilt thou, whose will is large and spacious,
    Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine?
    Shall will in others seem right gracious,
    And in my will no fair acceptance shine?
    The sea, all water, yet receives rain still,
    And in abundance addeth to his store;
    So thou, being rich in Will, add to thy Will
    One will of mine, to make thy large Will more.
      Let no unkind, no fair beseechers kill;
      Think all but one, and me in that one Will.

    By the way, that is all from memory. I can do several thousand more lines from most of the plays, sonnets and poems. I'm a huge lover of Shakespeare.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    They are much better if you learn his language -- then read them in the original. Trust me -- look at the post above.
     
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    So the last thing I want to say on this subject is that I am not offended by "bawdy and lewd." I'm human. Humans have (however much they may try to suppress it for whatever silly reason) a huge capacity for bawdiness and lewdness. It's part of what we are. I say -- hey, let's live an authentic life! Be what you are. :cool:
     
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    I have heard it spoken in the “OP” which was a thing in theatre not too long ago. Some productions did both. Original pronunciation one week and “modern” the next and yeah you’re right. It was faster in the original and did indeed sound like pirate language lol
     
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    I agree. I didn't mean it as a criticism. More taking note of how something considered by some to be all the things modern media is not received the same criticism.

    Basically poking fun at the sterile elitism of the 'they don't make them like they used to' crowd. ;)

    Not directed at you or Shakespeare.
     
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    I have tried. But alas my limited brain capacity. And my alcoholism lol
    But real talk, I do think Shakespearean English is quite nice
     
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    Why isn't anyone pointing out that this was a *PROP* gun and that *much* different rules apply? It simply doesn't operate by the same rules as ordinary firearms (even down to the safety mechanisms).
     
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    I just started a thread about Shakespeare. I find his writing impenetrable.
     
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  20. KenS

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    I thought the movie stars were aliens
     
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