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Alec Baldwin Did Pull The Trigger According To FBI

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by esmith, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    As one of the producers, it certainly was his
    job to ensure set safety. Allowing unqualified
    people on set, to manage guns, & to have
    real bullets on site, was a failure that would've
    benefitted from his also being properly trained
    in gun safety.
     
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    If you are using it incorrectly, yes, it's still your fault.
    He didn't follow the proper guidelines.
     
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    Well, I guess you can condemn him for his lack of omniscience, then. And then pretend that guns are safe to play with when you're an "expert" like yourself.
     
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    I certainly do.
     
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    He wasn't using a gun "incorrectly". He was using a movie prop exactly as it was meant to be used. Unfortunately, it was not a prop. Because someone screwed up. But there was no way for him know know this at the time.
     
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    If he didn't know it was a real gun, that's even worse. Anyone that ignorant should not even be using a fake gun.
     
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    Nevermind logic and common sense, he's got an agenda to spout.
     
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    If you refuse to understand context, there's no point in discussing it.
     
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    I understand, and it wasn't a prop, and anyone working with guns should have understood that. He was directly responsible.
     
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    She was the cinematographer, not the director. Alec Baldwin says she said that, but we can’t ask her, because she’s dead.

    Nor was he just following orders (like a good German?). He was not “just an actor”. He was also the Producer. And the Producer is responsible for the overall safety on the set. So he must of told himself that it was safe.
     
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    "Armorer Larry Zanoff has supervised the use of guns and ammunition in movies and TV productions for more than 20 years. He said that the industry standards for handling firearms and blank ammunition are actually very stringent.

    "The prop master and or the armorer are the people that are responsible on set for firearms, and they would have a chain of custody the entire time that the firearms are outside of any kind of lock up box or safe," Zanoff said.

    Zanoff said the first assistant director is the most important safety person on set. They are the ones to dictate when to bring the guns on set and whether the gun will be a "cold gun" or a "hot gun."

    "A cold gun would be totally unloaded, nothing in it," said Zanoff. "A hot gun would be one loaded with a blank and ready to do gunfire. The guns should not get loaded until the first [assistant director] directs the armorer to load the specific gun."

    On the set of "Rust," records indicated that the assistant director, Dave Halls, was allegedly the one who handed Baldwin the gun and incorrectly advised that the gun was a "cold gun," loaded without any live rounds, according to a search warrant from Santa Fe County obtained by ABC News.

    Zanoff said live ammunition is not allowed on a television or film set, instead, blanks are used. ...

    "Obviously, something went terribly wrong in this particular incident. It needs to be investigated. Law enforcement is investigating right now and when they come out with their determination of exactly what happened," he added. "I'm fairly confident that we'll see that the actual industry guidelines were not being followed."
    On-set prop gun supervisor walks through safety procedures, industry standards
     
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    She was setting up the shot, and wanted to see the (presumed dummy bullets) in the chamber as the gun was pointed at the camera that she was sitting next to, and looking into. She was directing the shot. Which is what the cinematographer does. So why aren't you blaming her? She told him to point the gun at her (camera) and put his finger on the trigger. To 'play' with the prop gun as if it were real. Expecting Baldwin to tell her no or refuse to do it is just stupid. He was doing his job. She was doing her job. And they both were assuming that the prop handlers were doing their job. But guns are dangerous machines, even when we humans try to take extraordinary precautions. They are designed to kill people and that's what they do when people "play" with them. Even professional people who should know how. She was not the first person to be killed by a gun making a movie and she won't be the last. Because guns are dangerous and people are fallable.
     
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