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Alan Watts about Christianity and the bible
- Thread starter Wasp
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I listened to the first couple of minutes. Allan is talking about experience. So what is the issue here?
All the self deluded start with "i think".. Here is a crazy man it is a man and his brain.
There is his brain over there him over here. Big gap!!!! Wierd.
So what fantasy is yours as you stand where the crazy man stands? Please do tell!
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I listened to it before and I agree with Watts. Christians turned Jesus into a God in order for them to have an excuse not to follow Christ's teaching. The only thing you need to give to a God is worship and you're all set but to a human teacher you have to follow his commandments and Christians do not want to do that and need an excuse to tell themselves that Jesus' teaching are impossible to follow because he was a God and we are not.
"Christians turned Jesus into a God in order for them to have an excuse not to follow Christ's teaching"
Thats nonsense You give Christianity way to much credit like it was some grand plan to be stupid.
Lets see the more we learn, the more we know, the more we know the clearer reality is! And clearer reality is as we learn more amd more, we realize how clearly we see because we know what we hace learned.
There is a curious pattern i say. On the one hand we say look at science and on the other look at religion.
Well thats what becomes of religion lost in learning "i think"
Disconnect from reality.
Refer to drawing.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I have heard 3 year old children give a better summary of the Life of Christ than that incoherent hippy bull****.
Good heavens, where did you find that? I have a lot of Ferlinghetti's poetry on my bookshelves, been reading them for decades!
Audie
Veteran Member
A Reedie friend told me of that poem. It is the
only 'ghetti poem I know.
One of my old favourites is "Christ Climbed Down."
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
there were no rootless Christmas trees
hung with candycanes and breakable stars
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
there were no gilded Christmas trees
and no tinsel Christmas trees
and no tinfoil Christmas trees
and no pink plastic Christmas trees
and no gold Christmas trees
and no black Christmas trees
and no powderblue Christmas trees
hung with electric candles
and encircled by tin electric trains
and clever cornball relatives
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no intrepid Bible salesmen
covered the territory
in two-tone cadillacs
and where no Sears Roebuck creches
complete with plastic babe in manger
arrived by parcel post
the babe by special delivery
and where no televised Wise Men
praised the Lord Calvert Whiskey
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no fat handshaking stranger
in a red flannel suit
and a fake white beard
went around passing himself off
as some sort of North Pole saint
crossing the desert to Bethlehem
Pennsylvania
in a Volkswagen sled
drawn by rollicking Adirondack reindeer
and German names
and bearing sacks of Humble Gifts
from Saks Fifth Avenue
for everybody’s imagined Christ child
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no Bing Crosby carollers
groaned of a tight Christmas
and where no Radio City angels
iceskated wingless
thru a winter wonderland
into a jinglebell heaven
daily at 8:30
with Midnight Mass matinees
Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and softly stole away into
some anonymous Mary’s womb again
where in the darkest night
of everybody’s anonymous soul
He awaits again
an unimaginable
and impossibly
Immaculate Reconception
the very craziest of
Second Comings
Copyright 1958 by Lawrence Ferlinghetti
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Doggerel. Makes William McGonagall sound eloquent.
You might at least try to take stock of where and when. The 1950s were a time of bad social injustice in the US, and "the Beats," as they were known, flaunted a freedom from conformity...living on little, eschewing the norms of the society around them. They broke with sexual conventions and racial prejudices, and sought to liberate an inner creative and spiritual force through art, often aided by mind altering substances like alcohol, marijuana, and other drugs. They were also, as a rule, pacifistic with regard to the Cold War and against militarism and regimentation in general.
That's the time, materialistic as it was, when Ferlinghetti wrote the poem. I understand that you don't get it, but having been born in 1948, it comes a little closer home to me.
Being dismissive of art that doesn't please you is not really a form of criticism. I try to let art help me see things in ways that I might not perhaps have been able to do. Doesn't always work, but can't hurt to try.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I don't trust hippies
How nice -- a whole group, lumped together as one, and you mistrust all of them.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I don't psychopaths either. Something wrong with that?
Muffled
Jesus in me
i believe that is illogical.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Whatevs
Muffled
Jesus in me
And then I believe real alive again.
Audie
Veteran Member
Derivative. Write your own poem.