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Featured Agnosticism is debunked using advanced methods of Science

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by questfortruth, May 21, 2020.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    Demonstrated in an alternative way, that the Theorems of Gödel are true, and hold not only for some special mathematical problems but in general (for any kind of statement in any kind of system/situation). As applications: Hilbert’s Second Problem Solved. Agnosticism is solved. The burden of Disproof is given to atheists. Andrew Wiles’s proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem (which is a hypothesis) uses unproven hypothesis-es of set theory (not the axioms of set theory), thus, the proof is debunked.

    Proof of the Second Incompleteness Theorem

    The set of axioms produces statements. Some are decidable, some are undecidable. To prove in full range the consistency of mathematics is to prove the validity of all statements, including undecidable ones. Latter to do is impossible by definition. Thus, it is not possible to prove, that mathematics is consistent.

    Another way to prove the Gödel’s Second Theorem:

    1. Axioms are defined as undecidable things.
    2. Such things are true.
    3. Thus, axioms are true, and, thus, the set of axioms are without self-contradiction, i.e. consistent.
    Thus, a consistent set of axioms can not be proven.

    The axioms are defined not as assumptions, but as undecidable but obvious things. Indeed, some axioms can be logically demonstrated [thus, gaining the status of theorems or facts].

    More in the viXra:


    Wiles Has not Proven the Fermat’s Last Theorem, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2005.0209
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Can you prove or disprove invisible fairies?

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    The IDEOLOGICAL MYSTERY that we call 'God' exists, yes. Most certainly. But the mystery remains shrouded in our unknowing. Which would seem to support agnosticism, not disprove it.
     
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    You have not read my viXra paper.
     
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    They are demons and evil spirits.
     
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    So everything that we can think up which we cannot prove or disprove exists?

    Isn't it the case that to make a definite claim that God exists or God doesn't exist, means that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, since God is out of the realm of examination? If agnostics are not making claims then they have no burden of proof to bare.
     
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    By that reasoning....
    If one can neither prove nor disprove reptilian aliens taking over
    government, then reptilian aliens taking over government exist.
     
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    This surprises you??? :)
     
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    Yes, you got it. But such aliens are devil and his angels: proven in Theology.
     
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    Yes, but do you want to disprove the genius of Dr. Gödel?!

    They are making one claim: God is not decidable. Here comes the Gödel's result, due which the God exists.

    No, this is making me cry out loud. The humankind hates to get Knowledge.
     
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    Oh crap! Now I am worried about the Boogieman. :eek:


    That is a good point. What they should say is that there is no evidence for God's existence based off the current information they know of. Making a definite claim about God's existence is wrong.
     
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    How does theology prove such a thing?

    Also, I can say that I cannot prove or disprove that aliens are not devils and angels, therefore my point is true.
     
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    Luckily, they are not such advanced in disbelief as Gnostic Atheists. So, my paper can be of help either to become theist or downfall into gnostic atheism.
     
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    One can prove, that the aliens are satan's army of sinful creatures. The way of proving: the Fermi Paradox tells us, that there are no traces of life in the cosmos. All activity of UFO is happening at Earth and solar system. It is our tempting devils then.
     
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    The idea of an atheist with esoteric mystical knowledge is cool concept for a fictional character. I tend not to agree with them though.
     
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    If I understand the Fermi Paradox correctly then that is only one of many possibilities and isn't conclusive. If humans are actually the most advanced species in the universe then other species wouldn't be more technologically more advanced than us. What is also presumed is that a more advanced civilization would care about space travel to traverse it.
     
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    Dear Israel, can I use your comment in my paper? Soon I submit it to "Science".
     
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    Nope. Agnostics have made one observation: god is not defined. Therefore it is nonsensical to try to decide.
    The claim that Agnostics make is that one should hold judgement for anything that is undecided. (Or, in other words, don't jump to conclusions.)
     
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