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Addendum to Isaiah 53:9.

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  1. John D. Brey

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    These things saith he that is holy, he that is true,
    he that hath the key of David, he that openeth,
    and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

    Revelation 3:6-9.

    And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder;
    So he shall open, and none shall shut;
    And he shall shut, and none shall open.

    Isaiah 22:22.

    Revelation 3:6-9 establishes a direct link between the personage speaking in the text of the passage and the person described through prophetic utterance in Isaiah chapter 22 (with emphasis on verses 22 through 25). John the Revelator clearly takes it for granted that Isaiah 22:20-25 is speaking parabolically concerning someone other than Eliakim son of Hilkiah. He makes the statements that are found in Isaiah 22:22-25 apply directly to the person speaking in Revelation 3:6-9.

    Linkages of this sort aren't uncommon throughout the Gospels and Apostolic Writings such that the link itself isn't worthy of a cutting exegetical analysis. On the other hand, what's more than worthy of careful examination is the manner in which the link between Revelation 3:6-9 and Isaiah 22:23-25 connect the latter passage to the cutting exegesis of Isaiah 53:9 that took place here earlier this self-same year.




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    In that thread, woven into the essay, an enormous exegetical coup uncovered a secret passage into conceptual relationships existing throughout Isaiah which were formerly hidden by the exegetical slip of the scribe's wrist that are found at Isaiah 53:9. In that passage, Isaiah 53:9, Isaiah claims that the death of the suffering-servant, which is described throughout this messianic passage par excellent, becomes, get this, a shrine במתין, or altar, such as those where God claims his very Presence will be found.

    Correctly exegeted it becomes evident that not only is the messianic-sufferer in the chapter despised by Israel, treated as a leper-messiah by Israel, but more importantly, the nature of his death becomes the most visited shrine the world has or ever will know.

    This throne-bush, or rather thorn-bush, shrine, where the burning passion of death burned more brightly than ever before, has becomes a portable shrine (a portable burning-bush) fashioned into an ornament worn between the breasts of more persons throughout the ages than any other Jew-el conceived by any jeweler throughout all the world. This shrine במתין is the most frequently worn Jew-el in the history of the world. No jewel has suckled the breasts of more kings, more queens, more brides, more conquerors, more peacemakers, more politicians, athletes, judges, rulers, criminals, and never will, world without end.

    No people throughout the world are immune from the beauty of this bright and glorious Jew-el save those he came to save. The Jew whose El is the headstone (cornerstone) of the greatest shrine the world will ever know, knows nothing of its light. The Jew whose El is the gem of existence itself, is in abject darkness concerning the Light of the World. Judaism demonizes the light that shines forth from out of a burning-bush become ornament par excellent: the ornamental yid-in-the-shad, Shaddai, the Lamb of God, head caught in the thorny hedge-bush, the very gemstone of God's ultimate hegemony over his duplicitous enemies.




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    This is why I have distanced myself from organized religion, but that does not mean there is a feud. It is just that most of what I have seen is too impassioned to the point of being somewhat nutty, or very nutty. That undermines credibility for me because I have seen far too much from people of faith. So much so, that I wonder if Extreme Religious Passion appears in the DSM 6?


    Religious study needs to be calm and rational as far as I'm concerned, full stop. There is no 11th Commandment that says people must be insane to be faithful.
     
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    . . . Organized religion has distanced itself from the spirit of this thread. Which is to say God's duplicitous enemy uses both religion and the irreligious to achieve his end.

    If you think the paragon of this thread, the prophet Isaiah, is calm and rational, I fear you've not read him enough to make heads nor tails of anything that might be said in this thread. If you think John the Revelator is calm and rational in Revelation, I fear you've not read John the Revelator often enough or deep enough to appreciate anything further in this thread. And if you think remaining calm and rational will keep you from your eventual duty to carry the cross of Christ, I fear you're on the wrong path, or haven't yet reached the part that begins the steep and painful ascent to that stony outcropping on that skull-looking hill.

    There's a place for calmness and reason. But not when you're in the spirit of the Passion that's the shrine par excellent. It's insane to apply reason and rhyme where they ain't worth a plumb nickle or a shiny silver dime.



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    Nice try. Yeshua came to fulfill the "law and the prophets" (Mt 5:17). That is why he gave the keys to the house of David to Peter (Mt 16:19) & (Isaiah 22), and gave Simon the name Petros, meaning little rock (Is 22:16) & (Mt 16:18), which is confused with the term Petras, meaning foundation rock. It also helped to hide understanding (Dan 12:9). The "wicked" will remain without understanding even at the end of the age(Daniel 12:9). Now that we are at the end of the age, the "wicked" will be cast into the furnace, and the lawless and stumbling blocks will be removed. (Mt 13:41 & 49-50). Not to say, as with the Progressive Democrats, that they won't object to being gathered up and tossed into the fire.
     
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    The most beautiful thing on this earth is a Jew-el. But it's beauty is hidden. It has to have the veil of earth, adamah, hiding it removed, and then it has to be cut. If it's not cut, it's not that beautiful.

    Every Jew has to be cut, to be related to El. And this relationship of the Jew to El, i.e., the cut that puts the Jew into relationship with El, is precisely how and why the Jew is related to El. El is himself cut. On the eighth day, to reveal the identity of El, as Yahweh.

    In Genesis chapter one, where the first seven days are elaborated, we see only El, who rests on the seventh day in preparation for his eighth day cutting. Voila. On the eighth day it's no longer just El, now it's Yahweh-El. And that's just the first cut. But a proper eighth day cutting requires two cuts. First we see the covering hiding Yahweh on El removed, so that on the eighth day we spy Yahweh, but then to see God face-to-face the second veil must be transgressed (periah).

    At the Akedah, God reveals to Abraham that Isaac's replacement will be a lamb שה. That's the first cutting revelation. But then, because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son, God reveals that he too is willing to sacrifice his own son. So great is Abraham and God's communion at this moment of blood-letting that God reveals the Name of the son he will sacrifice. He does this by cutting the flesh of the lamb to reveal, after the veil of flesh is removed, that the lamb, שה is, if you pull the veil from over the mark of the covenant, שדי Shaddai.

    The Name Shaddai reveals God's son as the Lamb of God. But it doesn't tell us the most telling piece of information about God's son; that he's the precious stone, the Jew-el, upon which the entire world was founded: the centerpiece of God's whole creation; the stone the Jewelers refused; the Shetiya stone hidden beneath the temple such that its revelation, its birth, its appearance, occurs on Tisha b'Av, the ninth of Av, when the temple veil is torn to reveal the stone the builders refused.

    To get the Name of this Jew-El, it's not enough to go through the motions of the first ritual cutting, milah, we've to subject the Name, Yahweh, to the second cutting, periah.

    Yahweh is יהוה. And the true sage says "Heh . . . there's a heh ה at the end of Yahweh hiding the same mark of the covenant, the yod, that was hiding the Name Shaddai under the same dalet veiling the mark of the covenant in the word Lamb שה.

    If cutting the Lamb of God reveals the Name Shaddai, perhaps the same ritual cutting will unveil the face of Yahweh? -----When we cut the veil that's the Name Yahweh יהוה we get the word Yehudai-----יהוה becomes יהודי (Yehudi) -----when we merely subject Yahweh to the same covenant ratifying cut that transformed the Lamb of God into Shaddai.

    And the word Yehudi is the Name "Jew" such that when we place this Jew, before El, on the eighth day, Genesis 2:4, we get the word Jew-El, the Shetiya stone that's the true gemstone upon which, and through which, the entire world emanated. Yahweh-Elohim is the precious stone of God before the covenant cutting that turns this diamond Yahweh, in the rough, Elohim, into the precious Jewel dangling between the breasts of kings and queens, suckling from the breasts of kings and queens, from one end of the world to the next.




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    Scripture interprets scripture. So once Revelation 3:6 keys us in (so to say), concerning who holds the key to the throne of David, the doorway into his everlasting rule, we've been given safe passage into the very Presence of God's holy shrine, the place where prayers will be sacrificed unto God forever.

    And I will fasten him with a nail in a sure place . . ..

    22:23.​

    The one with the key to the throne of David (22:22) will be fastened with a nail (יתד) in a "sure" (אמן) place. . . The word of the prophet says "nail" (יתד); and the word of the prophet says "amen" (אמן). The word translated "sure" is the Hebrew word "amen" (אמן) which any prayerful worshiper surely recognizes as the final word expressed when prayers are directed toward the very throne of God, the shrine of his Presence.

    Isaiah 53:9 claims the suffering-messiah will become a "shrine" (במתין) in his death, a place where prayers are sacrificed to God. So too, here, the one with the key to the throne of David, David's greater son, Messiah, is said to be nailed in a place of prayer, a particular shrine, as the emblem of worship representing God's very Presence.

    And it will be seen as the glorious throne of his father's house.

    Ibid.​

    After realizing Revelation 3:6 reveals the person with the key to the throne of David (who will open the kingdom for some, and no one will shut it on them, and close it for others, and no one will open it for them), we read in the very next verse that the person with this key to the throne and kingdom of David will be fastened to a shrine (Isa. 53:9) where prayers are offered with "amen," and that this shrine where prayers are offered with amen will be seen as the very throne of Messiah's father's house: "And I will fasten him with a nail as the object of prayer; And this shrine will be seen as the glorious throne of his father's house."

    The next verse in Isaiah chapter 22, verse 24, is one of the most mangled and tangled pieces of exegesis one could ever imagine. And for good reason. Since with the previous verses as the Davidic key to verse 24, it (verse 24), can quite literally be seen as the passage behind which can be found the greatest Jew-el of the greatest prophet of Israel.



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    תָּלָה TO SUSPEND, TO HANG UP. (Chald. and Syr. id. Compare Gr. τλάω to suspend in a balance, whence τάλαντον.) 2 Sa. 18:10; Job 26:7. תָּלָה פ׳ עַל הָעֵץ to hang any one on a stake, to crucify, a kind of punishment used among the Israelites, Deuter. 21:22; the Egyptians, Gen. 40:19; the Persians, Est. 7:10; 5:14.

    Gesenius’ Hebrew and Chaldee lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures (emphasis mine).

    The owner of the key to the Davidic throne, i.e., the anointed one, Messiah, will not only be attached by a nail, to a shrine associated with "amen" (with prayer), but will hang on a stake, on a tree, be suspended in the air as part and parcel of the nature of the shrine. Amazingly we find out in verse 24 that he hangs there as the tree of souls, the source for all the souls that are "in him," as he hangs there, the source and spring for a new spiritual species. His asexual offspring, his messianic-family, are there will him on the tree. Not seminally, as all fallen mankind were in post-lapse Adam's after his own scathing (Genesis 2:21), but hematologically, as the manner in which all the new species dwelt already in the tree of souls that's in the cross-hairs of the investigation. The souls of all his family are there, "in him," in the shrine, to be distributed, not through sexual means, not from his semen, his uncircumcision, but from his blood, therein forming a genet, clones, all sprouting from the original root as a grass-roots clonal-colony:

    And hanging תלה there with him are all the glory of his father's house, the asexual basal shoots צאצאים, which are, come from, the issue צפעות [issuing from him], which are all [therefore] considered small and of little value [Isaiah 60:22] coming as they do from the priestly basins, the ornamental bowls, and the ornamental pitchers.

    Isaiah 22:24.​


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    What you take for granted, and the truth, are a bit diverse. "Eliakim" would be the heir of Shebna (Isaiah 22:15), the head steward of the "royal household" (Isaiah 22:15) & (Matthew 16:19), who was given the key of the "house of David" (Isaiah 22:22) by which they can open and no one can shut. The head steward of the royal household, who was given the key, would be Simon bar Jonas, and his heir would be the pope. Peter made a "resting place for yourself in the rock", and was "cast into a vast country (Rome); there you shall die" (Isaiah 22:16-18). "In that day", being the day of the LORD, Eliakim, the pope shall "fall", and those hanging onto him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25) & (Matthew 7:27). Which is to say that the pope, Peter's heir, will "fall", and those hanging onto him, will be "cut off".
     
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    Revelation 3:7 is generally taken to be the words of the risen Christ. Do you disagree with that exegesis?




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    Revelation 3:7 is not referring to the same characters as Isaiah 22. The law of creation is one of opposites. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Per Zechariah 11, the LORD took two staffs/shepherds to "pasture" the "flock (nations/Gentiles) doomed to slaughter". Peter would be the "staff" called "Union"/"Cords", who was to be the "worthless shepherd", who would not feed, care, or tend my sheep (Zechariah 11:16) & (John 21:16). That was done by way of Matthew 16:19, whereas Simon bar Jonas was given the key of the kingdom (Isaiah 22:22), and became know as Petros (Isaiah 22:16), while being assumed Petras. The "rocks", Peter and Paul, the "Christian" sects are built on,, are both sand foundations (Matthew 7:23-27). That message was hidden (Daniel 12:10) & (Matthew 13:28-29) until the end of the age (Matthew 13:39-41), when the "stumbling blocks"/Peter (Matthew 16:23), and the lawless one/Paul (Romans 7:6), will be metaphorically gathered out and thrown into the furnace of fire. Their followers, the "tares" will follow suit. (Matthew 13:30 & 39-41).
     
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    . . . Are there two people with the key of David? Both passages deal with someone possessing the key of David.




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    Give me a break. You have Shebna, the "steward", put in charge of the "royal household", who would hold the key of that household, who represents Peter, who was to make a "resting place for yourself in the rock" (Isaiah 22:15-16) & (Matthew 16:19), and you have his successor, Eliakim, who also had the key of the house of David set on his shoulders (Isaiah 22:22), who will "in that day", being the day of the LORD, "fall", and those "hanging" onto him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:2). Eliakim would represent the successor of Peter, the pope, who thinks he has the key of the house of David, and who tried to negotiate through Obama, the administrative authority over Mount Zion, the fortress location of King David. Revelation 3:7 is not with respect to Peter, who was also given the key to the kingdom (Matthew 16:19), and who was dead and buried at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation. Peter's heir, the pope, also claims to be "Christ on earth", and hold the key of David. The point is that Peter was given the key by someone who had the key to give, and it was supposedly passed down from Peter to another "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), the pope. That succession of "worthless shepherds", who don't feed the sheep (Zechariah 11:16), won't be rectified until Ezekiel 34:22-23.
     
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    . . . It seems like you're mixing literal and allegorical to suit your own fancy. Which is fine so long as you realize that none of us can be the sole arbiter of where literal and allegorical stop and start. Beneath the literal text of Isaiah 22, I believe Jesus is being referred to as the one with the key to the throne of David. The same reference (Jesus as possessor of the key of David) is found in Revelation chapter 3.

    I disagree with the exegesis that implies Jesus gave Peter the key. I think that's misinterpreted and that the entire Roman Catholic theology about the Popes continuing Peter's legacy is, if not a complete misinterpretation, then at least a misappropriation based on an errant exegesis of the passages in question.




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    Matthew 16:19 New American Standard Bible
    "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

    As for Peter being the "worthless shepherd", and the pope simply being an extension of that description, simply look at how the "worthless shepherd" does not feed the sheep, but eats the fat of the sheep, which would point to the ongoing position of the "shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16, and the "shepherds" of Ezekiel 34:3, who eat the fat of the sheep. That does not abate until "in that day", the day of the LORD, when "Eliakim", the pope, "falls" (Isaiah 22:25) & (Matthew 7:27)

    Listen, I just went to my middle sister's funeral, with the speaker being a Baptist minister. I would hate to take away the false hope given to her "Christian" friends, but the preacher's spiel, improperly quoting Paul, about her now being with the LORD, has no basis, even by the quote the preacher had taken from Paul. The "shepherds" whether trying to be nice or not, they are in la la land, and in large part because of the Roman church, built on the foundations of Peter and Paul. God had mercy on my sister, and gave her a quick death, because she tried hard, but nevertheless, she missed the mark. She didn't meet St Peter at the gate, and instead, is at rest, buried in the ground. She was originally a Catholic, but at the end, an apparent Baptist, baptized in the Jordan River. She didn't do things halfway. Being a follower of the false prophet Paul, which entails having the mark of the beast, she was fortunate to die before the day of the LORD (Revelation 14:10).
     
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    It is the 16th commandment (Revelation 3:16). "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." One is either impassioned, or they are expelled. Lucky for you, you seem "cold". Maybe there is hope for you after all.
     
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    So ready to condemn you are. Go on your merry way.
     
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    1. Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
    The "words", written by me, were taken from that laid down by the Spirit of prophecy/revelation (Revelation 3:16). Your words, came from you own heart (Jeremiah 17:9).

    Why do so many woman seem to be so hateful these days, do they have mother issues? It can't be because they are so lost, that they lash out, can it?


    Matthew 16:19 New American Standard Bible
    "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

    If Yeshua gave the keys to Peter, then at least two people had the keys per Matthew 16:19
     
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    I don't see hate only from women, but men also, and in my very biased "opinion" think that hatred has recently increased in America at least and I think that is owing to the Trump political position. Perhaps it was always there but now people feel empowered to vent it? Not being an expert, I often wonder if hate and anger are merely fear concealed in denial?

    I had forgotten about Jesus talking about "keys", though the Mormons speak of it. In their commentary, I think that only men get keys, and that only by going to their Temples and being endowed with them ???

    Perhaps I have entered my "post religious" stage, where many of the rules seem nonsensical, not from the "we shall cast our bonds asunder" sentiment, but from the point of beginning to see lots of what comes out of the religious authority as being an abuse of power.
     
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    The "power" of the false religions (Revelation 17:5) come from the "dragon"/devil and the "beast"/kings/leaders (Revelation 13:4), "deceiving" "those dwelling on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). The "deceived" "sheep" follow the "shepherds" who eat the "fat" of the "sheep" (Ezekiel 24:3) & (Zechariah 11:16). As for Mormon leaders, such as Flake, Beck, and Romney they seem to wallow in their own self righteousness, but still garner votes from the lost. I guess they are taught as long as they die with clean underwear on, they will be gods. They should keep in mind that the "beast", Caesar, who was "slain", was also declared a god, and his authority came from the dragon" (Revelation 13-3-4). The ultimate place for the beast, was the "lake of fire" (Revelation 20:10).
     
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