I am a Seventh Day Adventist and we are one of the few religious denominations who do take a literal view of both the Genesis and flood accounts and we believe they are critical to the story of salvation.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. I was an SDA for a short period. I was Catholic before that. I am currently non-denominational.
There is also the notion that death did not exist in the garden prior to the fall and im certain that was what God was actually referring to.
I agree. Death entered into the world after the Fall...
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"
We view death as an absolute, however, in those days it did not exist...so what God was saying is, "Adam if you eat of this fruit, you will no longer live forever, your life will end one day in death and that process will start immediately in the day that you eat of the fruit." In that day death will become part of your existence
You are very close to what I believe. The First Adam and Ishshah (not Eve) were already immortal to begin with. The difference is that I believe their life ended on that very day... as in twenty-four hours or less. The rest of the story is about their re-creation process... hence the Second Adam and Eve.
The phrase 'surely die' is used twenty-two times in the Bible. They all mean imminent death with the added emphasis on the person being disobedient to God. For me to change 'surely die' in one verse makes it contradict the rest of the verses that use that phrase.
Per the rules I go by, I cannot have contradictions in my interpretations. The phrase 'surely die' must have a consistent meaning no matter where it is used.
This is also a concept which proves TEism absolutely wrong to btw...as they must believe that physical death was not a consequence of sin in order to overcome the dilemma of natural selection and death cycle for millions of years up to the point of Adam and Eves sin. The huge theological problem with the claim that sin did not also bring physical death into this world for the first time in the Garden of Eden is Christ incarnation and death on the cross. Christ died physically for the wages of sin...if death was only spiritual, why did Christ die physically and the blood of sheeps and goats be shed as an illustration of this for thousands of years prior to Christ? Finally, why is the second coming also a physical event?
Interestingly enough, one of the first things that Adam and Eve noticed after they ate the fruit is that they were naked. The glory of God that enveloped them had departed...they had separated themselves from their source of eternal life.
I like it.
Note that they were naked before the Fall...
"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
I would add that the word 'naked' means that they did not have a physical Body or Tabernacle yet...
2 Corinthians 5:2-3
"For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked."
'Not ashamed' means they did not have reproductive organs.
The point of the Forbidden Fruit vs. the Fruit of the Tree of Life was to choose which 'Body Tabernacle' they would like to be 'clothed' with. At the same time, they were choosing which Parents to be Born Again into...
Sarah: Tree of Life (Freedom)
Hagar: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Bondage)
They chose Bondage. Thus, they received an 'Earthly Tabernacle Body' of corruption via the Zygote Forbidden Fruit of Hagar.
What is really interesting is that they turned to leaves of trees in order to cover their nakedness.
Fortunately, the leaves on the Tree of Life will provide the Glorified Covering in New Jerusalem...
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
It is a one-time thing to partake. Once One partakes, they are literally Born Again.
..thus even nature itself became corrupted by their sin as it was used in an attempt to hide their sin...to cover it up. I think this is also why God cursed the ground...to show sin cannot be hidden and its consequences are absolute.
I believe that they were trying to hide what was not there before. They now had reproductive organs and they did not want God to notice. That is where 'shame' comes from...
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
What is the 'shame' that they will see? Reproductive organs... their 'Private Parts'.
Can i just take particular note of one claim you have made regarding the second Adam and Eve being his second replacement wife after the fall... this is 100% false and unbiblical...Adam was not resurrected into a new person, nor did he get a new wife. Eve is the very same person who was made out of him on the 6th day.
We will have to agree to disagree. I realize this is difficult for most to receive, and I understand why you would reject it.
Recall the promise that God made to them in Genesis 3?
14So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and every beast of the field!
On your belly will you go,
and dust you will eat,
all the days of your life.
15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.
He will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.c”
Genesis 3:15 is specifically talking about the incarnation of the Messiah...Christ, who would come to save Gods creation.
You are describing the Milk of the Word. It makes a cute story to tell Children. Note that Jesus is the Seed of Abraham... not the Woman.
The Meat of the Word is that the so called 'Snake' Satan was turned into is Male Seed (Sperm). 'Dust' is DNA... as in the Sperm partakes of the Female Egg Cell.
'Enmity' has a deeper meaning than just 'being in opposition'. It has to do with Original Sin. In other words, it is another word for Conception and the concept of 'Two shall be One'...
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby"
Notice the language? Enmity is all about the Zygote that Adam and Ishshah partook of. The Cross represents two Chromatids joining together in Matrimony. Unfortunately, as stated earlier, Adam and Ishshah chose the wrong Zygote to incarnate into. Jesus is reversing that.
Jesus is reversing the original two Chromatids that joined together way back in the Garden of Eden... like a Reverse Abiogenesis.
It literally is in the context...
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
Thy Seed = Sperm (Seed of the Serpent)
Her Seed = Ovum (Seed of the Woman)
God is basically inventing the Biology of Conception for the first time because it did not exist before the Fall. Again, look at the context...
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Conception = Enmity between Sperm and Ovum. The Sperm 'attacks' the Ovum and 'bruises its head' when it enters. Once it is in the Tabernacle Ovum, it goes into the Most Holy Place to 'attack' the Footstool of God and 'bruise his heel'...
The most intimate functions of Ovum Fertilization are being described right there in front of everyone's face! Sadly, the 'Genesis is a Myth' people, like the ones in this very thread, have no idea in the world what they are looking at.
Also, the bible specifically tells us who the second Adam is...is specifically calls Christ the second Adam (i would suggest you read Romans Chapter 5 and 6 (and note 5:18&19)
Semantics and poor translation. Jesus is the First and the Last...
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
When developing bible doctrine, it is vitally important that you cross reference your ideas from a wide range of texts...but not only that, you need to ensure that your theology remains consistent with other bible statements that are self interpreting.
Finally, your claim regarding Genesis 2:7 and "God formed man out of the dust of the ground" being a reference for mans creation on day three is complete nonesense...that text in no way references anything of the sort. You are simply not udnerstanding that the bible writers regularly "recap" and that is exactly what is happening in here.
Not a 'recap'. Day is literal.
As per the rules God made in Revelation and other places, I must not take away and add unto the Word. Therefore, I cannot change 'day' into 'back in the day', 'six days' etc. for Genesis 2:7.
God was explaining to Adam and Eve that when they die, their bodies would begin to break down..."rot" if you want to use a very blunt word. Adam and Eve now understood what happens when they die.
Yes, they return to the 'food' that the 'Snake' eats...
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
Dust is the Seed. The Seed is the Word. We are Seeds that grow into a Tabernacle.
Without Christ, Man returns to the 'Ground'... aka... the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth'... aka... 'The Pit'... aka... the Womb of Reincarnation...