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Adam and Eve in human genetics. New results.

questfortruth

questfortruth

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"Not only did evolution happen: it eventually led to beings capable of comprehending the process, and even of comprehending the process by which they comprehend it." Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale, p. 613.

The difference between animal and human is that human has the ability to comprehend the Natural Selection and resulting Adaptation. But animal simply follows the laws, without knowing them. Darwin wrote "Origin of Species", not an ape. No ape wrote a single explanatory book.

In human genetics, the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (Y-Adam) is the most recent common ancestor from whom all currently living males are descended patrilineally. As of 2015, estimates of the age of the Y-Adam range around 200 000 to 300 000 years ago, roughly consistent with the emergence of anatomically modern humans.

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (M-Eve) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans. As of 2013, estimates on the age is around 150 000 years ago.

So, it is assumed in secular science, that Y-Adam lived before M-Eve. But the direct female line departs from M-Eve both in the past and in the future, namely, M-Eve had the mother, grandmother, etc. And also M-Eve had daughters, grand-daughters, etc. Let us name the progenitor of M-Eve, who lived 200 000 B.C. with Y-Adam, as the Biblical Eve (B-Eve).

You might consider the possibility (but the latter is highly unlikely) that Y-Adam was not married to B-Eve 200 000 BC. Let us say there were 10 married couples on Earth at that time. Then the probability that the direct female line of every modern person in 2021 AD goes back to the same couple in 200 000 BC is p = (1/10) to the power of 3,500,000,000 (the number of women on Earth in 2021 AD). And this p is a negligible number. Therefore, the number of couples in 200 000 BC was not 10, but 1. This means that Y-Adam had legal sex with B-Eve.

And if you are confused by the age of Y-Adam (200 000 years), then it is obtained according to a formula that assumes that Darwin's theory of Evolution is correct and that humans descended from animals. If you do not make such an assumption, but based calculations only on observational facts, then we get the age of Y-Adam and B-Eve as 7000 years ago: Carl Wieland, "A shrinking date for‘ Eve ’"
A shrinking date for 'Eve' - creation.com
 
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ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
questfortruth said:

"Not only did evolution happen: it eventually led to beings capable of comprehending the process, and even of comprehending the process by which they comprehend it." Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale, p. 613.

The difference between animal and human is that human has the ability to comprehend the Natural Selection and resulting Adaptation. But animal simply follows the laws, without knowing them. Darwin wrote "Origin of Species", not an ape. No ape wrote a single explanatory book.

In human genetics, the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (Y-Adam) is the most recent common ancestor from whom all currently living males are descended patrilineally. As of 2015, estimates of the age of the Y-Adam range around 200 000 to 300 000 years ago, roughly consistent with the emergence of anatomically modern humans.

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (M-Eve) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans. As of 2013, estimates on the age is around 150 000 years ago.

So, it is assumed in secular science, that Y-Adam lived before M-Eve. But the direct female line departs from M-Eve both in the past and in the future, namely, M-Eve had the mother, grandmother, etc. And also M-Eve had daughters, grand-daughters, etc. Let us name the progenitor of M-Eve, who lived 200 000 B.C. with Y-Adam, as the Biblical Eve (B-Eve).

You might consider the possibility (but the latter is highly unlikely) that Y-Adam was not married to B-Eve 200 000 BC. Let us say there were 10 married couples on Earth at that time. Then the probability that the direct female line of every modern person in 2021 AD goes back to the same couple in 200 000 BC is p = (1/10) to the power of 3,500,000,000 (the number of women on Earth in 2021 AD). And this p is a negligible number. Therefore, the number of couples in 200 000 BC was not 10, but 1. This means that Y-Adam had legal sex with B-Eve.

And if you are confused by the age of Y-Adam (200 000 years), then it is obtained according to a formula that assumes that Darwin's theory of Evolution is correct and that humans descended from animals. If you do not make such an assumption, but based calculations only on observational facts, then we get the age of Y-Adam and B-Eve as 7000 years ago: Carl Wieland, "A shrinking date for‘ Eve ’"
A shrinking date for 'Eve' - creation.com
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The approximate ages of y adam and mtdna eve are obtained from DNA, as far as i know Darwin knew nothing of DNA.

And remember, DNA cannot lie, just ask any of the those convicted on DNA evidence
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
questfortruth said:
"... If you do not make such an assumption, but based calculations only on observational facts, then we get the age of Y-Adam and B-Eve as 7000 years ago: Carl Wieland, "A shrinking date for‘ Eve ’"
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And today's Hebrew date is the 10th of Sh'vat 5781. My, how time flies ...
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
questfortruth said:
Darwin wrote "Origin of Species", not an ape. No ape wrote a single explanatory book.
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All books were written by apes, which is what humans are.
Just like we humans are also mammals, tetrapods, vertebrates,...


In human genetics, the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (Y-Adam) is the most recent common ancestor from whom all currently living males are descended patrilineally. As of 2015, estimates of the age of the Y-Adam range around 200 000 to 300 000 years ago, roughly consistent with the emergence of anatomically modern humans.

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (M-Eve) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans. As of 2013, estimates on the age is around 150 000 years ago.

So, it is assumed in secular science, that Y-Adam lived before M-Eve. But the direct female line departs from M-Eve both in the past and in the future, namely, M-Eve had the mother, grandmother, etc. And also M-Eve had daughters, grand-daughters, etc. Let us name the progenitor of M-Eve, who lived 200 000 B.C. with Y-Adam, as the Biblical Eve (B-Eve).

You might consider the possibility (but the latter is highly unlikely) that Y-Adam was not married to B-Eve 200 000 BC. Let us say there were 10 married couples on Earth at that time. Then the probability that the direct female line of every modern person in 2021 AD goes back to the same couple in 200 000 BC is p = (1/10) to the power of 3,500,000,000 (the number of women on Earth in 2021 AD). And this p is a negligible number. Therefore, the number of couples in 200 000 BC was not 10, but 1. This means that Y-Adam had legal sex with B-Eve.

And if you are confused by the age of Y-Adam (200 000 years), then it is obtained according to a formula that assumes that Darwin's theory of Evolution is correct and that humans descended from animals. If you do not make such an assumption, but based calculations only on observational facts, then we get the age of Y-Adam and B-Eve as 7000 years ago: Carl Wieland, "A shrinking date for‘ Eve ’"
A shrinking date for 'Eve' - creation.com
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Creative. But off course, complete nonsense.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
questfortruth said:
If all humans are apes, then all apes are humans?
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SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
questfortruth said:
If all humans are apes, then all apes are humans?
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Humans are from a class of primates called the great apes. Gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans are also from that class. Gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans are not human, therefore, not all apes are human.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
questfortruth said:
Do not change the subject. Answer my question. Are all apes humans?
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How curious that you did not even see the parallel and consider it "changing the subject". How curious indeed. Are you playing dumb by any chance?


In any case, no, not all apes are humans. Just like not all fingers are thumbs. :rolleyes:


WHOOSH! (sound of the point flying over your head)
 
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