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Featured Acts of the Apostles 2:36, Acts of the Apostles 2:39, the Apostles affirm that Jesus is God

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Desert Snake, Mar 2, 2019.

  1. Desert Snake

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    Acts of the Apostles 2:36
    Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
    [KJV]

    Acts of the Apostles 2:39
    'the Lord our God'

    Here affirming that Jesus is God, and contextually.
     
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  3. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Maybe jesus was made lord by his father, after his accomplishment and now there are two lords, jesus and his father.

    In Genesis it says Let us make man in our image. Who is the us in Genesis? Perhaps Jesus was begotten, or brought into existence by The Spirit. And by Jesus accomplishment on the cross, and after resurrection , the Father made him Lord.

    So you have two persons God and Jesus, and only one God, the Father. The Holy Spirit is of God the Father.

    In any event, there is plenty of room to interpret things in different ways from the passages you gave.
     
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    There are different interpretations, sort of. The texts shouldn't contradict, though.
    John 5:19-22

    Jesus Himself says that He is already, divine, in these verses, for example. So, yes there can be interpretation, however those interpretations shouldn't contradict the texts.

    In other words, these verses in Acts of the Apostles, for example, are very clear. Theorizing something else with an obscure interpretation of an occasional verse, is bad scriptural discernment.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Bible Gateway passage: John 1 - King James Version

    So the Word is Jesus, the Father, and The Holy Spirit. Three distinct persons all of whom are one God?
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    I got it John 1:18 says it best. Three are one God.
     
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    I wouldn't call them actually distinct. They are different aspects of the same 'god', like in Genesis 1:26, as you brought up
    God=God
    Jesus=God, called the Lord
    Spirit=God

    That is a basic way to configure that, though notice that you can configure that with different names, to an extent. For general usage, though, I believe that is practical.
     
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    That's a lot of conclusion for such little effort. I . . . uh . . . I don't see it. Could you explain to me how you come to that conclusion?
     
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    So . . . then . . . when Rachael said to her father: "Do not let anger gleam in the eyes of my lord" that must have meant . . . wait a minute! Have you researched the word lord and it's usage in the Bible?
     
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    Jesus tells us directly, that David, calls Him, Jesus, Lord.

    Matthew 22:37
    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind
    [KJV]
    Matthew 22:41
    While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
    [KJV]
    Matthew 22:42
    Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
    [KJV]
    Matthew 22:43
    He saith unto them, How doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying
    [KJV]
    Matthew 22:44
    The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
    [KJV]
    Matthew 22:45
    If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
    [KJV]



    Concerning the 'Lord' title, the word used here, referring to Jesus, is the same word, [greek language, that is used for 'Lord thy God'.
    Going by this and other inference, or using that argument, JESUS, is saying that He is God.
     
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    Sorry, I think those don’t say Jesus is God. And in many parts, it is clear that Jesus is Lord/King, but still, for disciples of Jesus there is only one true God that is greater than Jesus.


    This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

    John 17:3


    the Father is greater than I
    [Jesus].
    John 14:28

    Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
    1 Corinthians 8:4-6


    There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

    Ephesians 4:4-6


    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

    1 Timothy 2:5
     
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    You're mixing up the different meanings of 'God'.

    So, for example,
    God
    Jesus
    Spirit
    Written thusly, you know that because God is differentiated from Jesus, then it refers to the High God, on the Throne.
    When Jesus is called God, since you know that it is referring to Jesus, you then know it means, Jesus as the Triune aspect of God.

    If God is written, just without, specifying the person, then it could mean, either the High God, on the Throne, or, Jesus. that is contextual, and you might need to find out if it means Jesus, or the High God, or the Triune.

    ///some churches have traditionally, or varying, argued some different ideas, like, is it Jesus, on the Throne, so forth. However, since direct Modalism, can easily be argued, from Scripture, then more context is better, more Biblical context.
     
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    The problem with that is, Bible doesn’t speak of triune, or trinity. I rather believe what the Bible tells, without added meanings and teachings.
     
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    So, describe what the 'Bible', is telling you?
     
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    1 Corinthians 6:12-20

    So, Jesus can't be just a Rabbi, obviously, unless you recognize two deities, one that you don't worship, yet base all of your teachings around.

    ?
     
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    Acts of the Apostles 2:36
    1 Corinthians 6:15 by 'added meaning', you must mean direct word corellation.

    'Christs'
     
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    Good heavens, how ignorant is this person, to the scriptures, who would put forward this heap of rubbish?
     
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