Accusing Others of "Whining"....Should It Be Allowed on RF?

[Brickjectivity]

I'm in favor. Anything that helps retain members without killing conversations is a good idea.

Whining is surely protected by the First Amendment of your constitution thingy isn't it?

Not on privately owned websites. Its just that the government isn't allowed to outlaw whining, but web sites may. Unless of course there's no other venue. Then its a gray area legally speaking. Or grey.

 

[Secret Chief]

If they created an Adult only Debate forum without regulation that would be the one most people would use and of course the one most people would complain about.

I was on a forum that had exactly this. In that unregulated space anyone could say anything. The problem is, after I've called you a ******* ******* ***** ** **** you'll probably be coloured by that when we are posting in the other sub-forums.

 

[Secret Chief]

I'm in favor.

What might a workable definition of whining be? What one person calls whining another might call legitimate discussion. Or am I whining?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Banning accusations of lying has noticeably (to me) improved
the climate on RF. We see far fewer instances of it, with the
consequent defense &/or retaliation, often resulting in more
work for the moderators.
One thread today already blew up because some went there.

Not calling out instances of lying would make the defender out to be the one who is conceding to the accusers. I see the point though.

Maybe we should just slap each other in the face with white gloves poo pooing those instances.

 

[Secret Chief]

Would you advocate returning to being able to call each other liars?

When you implied I was a poopy head I cried myself to sleep.

 

[Thief]

It's a common thing here.
It flared up this very morn. It wasn't pretty.
I say that it's pure hostility.
And those accused take it that way, leading to digression into personal animosity.
We've banned accusations of lying. I propose banning accusations of whining.

What say y'all?

One rule: No whining in this thread.
(Sorry...couldn't resist.)

at some point.....your sensitivity will lead to a total ban of any post

stop whining

I on the other hand have noticed......sensitivity is getting out of hand
it leads to deleted material that had useful point and perspective

 

[Thief]

Both inspire hostility.

my son and I have arguments that smell of hostility

but I have also noted discussions that have mutual dislike
the opponents are set about having their way
and then the accusations fly
as if each line of accusation needs to be answered.....as if a legit argument line by line

It's called bickering

if you want better debate
let the argument stand as is
if you think it a lie.....don't answer it

just continue telling what you believe

oh but there's that sensitivity problem
what ever to do about it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Whining is surely protected by the First Amendment of your constitution thingy isn't it? Same as implying someone is a poopy head.

RF isn't governed by the Constitution, & may restrict
speech in ways that government cannot.
The phrase "poopy head" is currently allowed, perhaps
because it's mirthful, unlike "whiner" & "liar".

 

[Revoltingest]

stop whining

You're a bit late with that joke.
Shouldn't sleep in so late.

 

[Thief]

You're a bit late with that joke.
Shouldn't sleep in so late.

yeah .....I'm still a late night worker

and it's late for me

 

[Secret Chief]

"whiner" & "liar".

OK serious point. To me, "liar" is demonstrable, "whiner" can be argued as more of a perception thing.

 

[Thief]

OK serious point. To me, "liar" is demonstrable, "whiner" can be argued as more of a perception thing.

for sure.....

the next guy might not like what I post
then report it for whatever accusation he thinks will serve

and then I get the write up

 

[Revoltingest]

Not calling out instances of lying would make the defender out to be the one who is conceding to the accusers. I see the point though.

How would one verify that the accused liar doesn't really
believe what's said? I've been accused of lying.
I know that I believe what I say. So the result is that I find
the accuser to be petulant, nasty, failed conversationalist.
So nothing is achieved except my adding yet another name
to my naughty list (boors to be avoided).

Maybe we should just slap each other in the face with white gloves poo pooing those instances.

I think there's an optimal middle ground between
unrestrained poop flinging & a stifling straightjacket.

 

[Revoltingest]

When you implied I was a poopy head I cried myself to sleep.

But now you know that I was showing you affection.
(This might not be better for you.)

 

[Revoltingest]

oh but there's that sensitivity problem
what ever to do about it?

That's what this thread addresses (in its own small way).

 

[McBell]

Whining is surely protected by the First Amendment of your constitution thingy isn't it? Same as implying someone is a poopy head.

Why is "poopy head" allowed but "**** head" isn't?

Seems like when people use the word "frick" instead of the word "****" in order to avoid "cursing".
As if anyone is fooled...

 

[Revoltingest]

OK serious point. To me, "liar" is demonstrable, "whiner" can be argued as more of a perception thing.

It's not as demonstrable as people usually think.
I generally observe....
"I've told you The Truth.
You I know I'm right.
But you persist in false claims
You lie!"

 

[Revoltingest]

Why is "poopy head" allowed but "**** head" isn't?

Seems like when people use the word "frick" instead of the word "****" in order to avoid "cursing".
As if anyone is fooled...

It is a complex, subjective, nuanced, & evolving thing.
There's no way that rigid unambiguous rules can address it.
So I imagine that staff monitor the tone of the forum,
& adapt enforcement to keep reasonable peace..
Sounds vague?
It is.
But I don't know a better way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How would you describe winning?

I would think that would be subjective and without rather than drawing unnecessary conclusions based on ones biases or opinions. How would one define it?

 

[McBell]

It is a complex, subjective, nuanced, & evolving thing.
There's no way that rigid unambiguous rules can address it.
So I imagine that staff monitor the tone of the forum,
& adapt enforcement to keep reasonable peace..
Sounds vague?
It is.
But I don't know a better way.

Makes it seem that so long as make your insults as childish sounding as possible, it is fine and dandy.....