shmogie
Well-Known Member
People have free will, as evidenced throughout the OT and NT. They can exercise it as they choose. They may choose God, and his ways, or not.
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According to the Bible
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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Nice dance.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
That's basically what the question is, thinking and projecting instead of asking about what's real and fact or not. Everything else is irrelevant.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
If homosexuality and heterosexuality are nothing but behaviors then you can be homosexual today if you have sex with a member of the same sex today and you'd be heterosexual tomorrow if you have sex with a member of the opposite sex tomorrow.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
By “BC standards” there was no such thing as “gay” or “straight.” Those are concepts that the BC folks didn’t have. So the answer is “no,” because there were no “gay” or “straight” people back then.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
In BC days, I think they thought everyone was naturally hetero.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I assume it's possible?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Which would mean homosexuals can be heterosexuals and vis versa.
I wonder how believers see this in respects that straight people can turn gay and gay people straight according to biblical definitions.
And thanks for understanding the question.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
You're stuck on the words.
They were gay people then as well as straight. So, the words are irrelevant.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
True. Since it was behavior oriented, heteros became homosexuals and vis versa. Which is kind of interesting because how can that be reconciled with 21st century standards of hetero and homosexuality.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
According to Green Eggs and Ham, I can have the eponymous dish on a boat in a moat with a goat.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Do you have a favorite food? A least favorite? Why did you choose to like/dislike them?
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
The commandment concerning adultery has a spiritual basis that is unchangeable -but -unlike others -is also based on the originally-intended state of two distinct human genders.
Two distinct genders are dependent upon an overall system which can be adversely affected.
When a person is not distinctly male or female OUTWARDLY and PHYSICALLY -it is apparent.
Any gender distinctions which are otherwise would not be apparent.
From a human perspective, I think... "How would you advise a hermaphrodite to be -or be with -a husband or wife? -and can this apply to less apparent things"
From a spiritual perspective, I think... "We will eventually have no gender -will neither marry or be given in marriage (don't worry -there are things better than sex) -what is the best way to keep the commandments?"
It is not a binary issue, studies show that only a small percentage of people are completely straight ot completely gay, the vast majority of us lie somewhere in between the two extremes.
One of the first studies was performed by Dr Alfred Kinsey, more recent and more detailed studies show similar results.
One of the first studies was performed by Dr Alfred Kinsey, more recent and more detailed studies show similar results.
I don't think so.
An honest person can lie but that doesn't make him a liar.
A straight person can do a homosexual act but that doesn't make him a homosexual.
A liar can be honest every once in a while... but he is still a liar.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Bullcrap.
21st century standards shouldn't be applied to the Bible, any more than 18th century ideas of slave ownership should get tacked on. The Bible tells how slavery should be conducted, if it is to be conducted. But one of the first things Christians do is ask for the freedom of a new convert.
So let's talk about the Bible. The so-called modern age, behind its trappings of modernity, is a great deal like Roman culture (prior to its fall) or secular culture prior to Noah and Abraham. "Forget the law," they say, " it's obsolete. " Except you can see the signs on the wall. Modernity is the offspring of the Jewish and Christian world. The Jews lived in a way that was unheard of to people all around them. "You mean, you DON'T sacrifice your only child to Moloch for a good harvest? You don't treat your wife like just another one, but actually believe in real marriage ?" And the Christian ppl lived in a eay that was unheard of, even to the Jews. Jews and Christians together did away with slavery, created ethical butchery that actually lowers cattle stress ( thank Temple Grandin for this), as well as creating clock towers for measuring time, classical architecture, and most of the fruits of modern life today are a result of Christian and Jewish value systems.
You are fine to go ahead and be an atheist or be "modern" whatever that is.
"It's modern," so it must be good.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The bottom line is homosexual behavior, then and now, was/is more subject to compulsion, disease and suicide. This means it was/is not acceptable to nature and natural instinct, or else these would not be problems.
The difference is now is we have medicine, science and free marketing to hide or disguise this fact. In BC, they could not make the disease go away with a pill, so they had to be more strict for the sake of the collective. They could see the problems, and the wage of sin was death by nature.
As an analogy, for then and now, is say left wing culture decided it was natural to eat rocks, since chickens eat little stones to aid in the digestion of seeds; gizzard. Under natural conditions for humans, this will cause broken teeth and digestive issues. Everyone can see this, accept those who fool themselves following the fad.
One day science and technology figures out a way to quickly fix teeth and pump the stomach, so this behavior is now more sustainable. There are a number of people who will now be able to convince themselves this is natural, since now it appears to be sustainable. Man gaming nature or not was the difference, then and now.
To prove this, we could run a social experiment where we get rid of all the prosthesis used to disguise and sustain this behavior, so we can simulate the BC state of affairs. We then allow nature; green, to run its course and then make a judgment based on the results. We may need tough love to save people from themselves and the propaganda machine.
Transgender is not even possible without modern medicine gaming the natural system. This gaming of nature and natural allows many to fool themselves, while the medical industries turns a profit. The fad of many genders is just a modern marketing tool, that promotes the sale of new merchandise so many can outwardly pretend.
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The difference is now is we have medicine, science and free marketing to hide or disguise this fact. In BC, they could not make the disease go away with a pill, so they had to be more strict for the sake of the collective. They could see the problems, and the wage of sin was death by nature.
As an analogy, for then and now, is say left wing culture decided it was natural to eat rocks, since chickens eat little stones to aid in the digestion of seeds; gizzard. Under natural conditions for humans, this will cause broken teeth and digestive issues. Everyone can see this, accept those who fool themselves following the fad.
One day science and technology figures out a way to quickly fix teeth and pump the stomach, so this behavior is now more sustainable. There are a number of people who will now be able to convince themselves this is natural, since now it appears to be sustainable. Man gaming nature or not was the difference, then and now.
To prove this, we could run a social experiment where we get rid of all the prosthesis used to disguise and sustain this behavior, so we can simulate the BC state of affairs. We then allow nature; green, to run its course and then make a judgment based on the results. We may need tough love to save people from themselves and the propaganda machine.
Transgender is not even possible without modern medicine gaming the natural system. This gaming of nature and natural allows many to fool themselves, while the medical industries turns a profit. The fad of many genders is just a modern marketing tool, that promotes the sale of new merchandise so many can outwardly pretend.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Thanks. Why do you think some people attack homosexuals with homosexulity. If that be the case, hetero- and homo- would be in the same category.
Its weird. Some of us are called homoexual and since homosexuality is a sin, they connect us not knowing that what "they" call us doesn't determine our behavior.
It's like someone calling you a lier, lying is a sin, they call you sinner even all have the ability to lie
Thanks for understanding the question.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
No dance, the truth. If you want me to say homosexuality is wrong for a Jew, or Christian according to the Bible, consider it said.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So are tattoos, wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork or shrimp, rotating crops, and talking to menstruating women.
Know what isn't wrong according to the bible? Slavery, forced marriage, and beating wives/slaves. The bible even includes instructions on how to sell your own daughter off. Oh, and the bible also requires victims of rape to marry their attacker.
So personally, as a man of conscience, the bible has no use to me beyond toilet paper.