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'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
You should check more carefully.
Congress voted to authorize those wars.
For Presidents to start a war by fiat is somewhat unconstitutional.

See post #38.
The links have paywalls, so I've excerpted some text.
But one can find many other sources on the web.
Yes, congress - not a single invididual.
Every single congressman and woman was responsible for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, for example.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, was directly, as an individual, responsible for the biggest increase in drone strikes in US history, because those were authorized by the POTUS, not congress.


Have you ever examined Biden's record before his presidency?
Would you argue that Trump was the better president because he did not have such a political record, by virtue of having no experience in politics prior to his candidacy?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
People aren't equivalent.
Some are more prone to evil than others.
I look at their record.
Past is prologue.

If you assume otherwise, it wouldn't
matter who one voted for.

As i have stated, its his record as president that counts, not his history.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Oh, dear.
People know so little about the pols they defend.
Joe Biden’s Vote for War (Published 2020)
Excerpted....
In October 2002, he was one of 77 senators who gave President George W. Bush the authority to use force in Iraq. He is still trying to explain that choice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...defense-crime-bills-role-incarceration-trend/
Excerpted....
The former vice president and 2020 presidential hopeful was a key senator working on the passage of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, better known as the 1994 crime bill. Biden has taken to calling it the “1994 Biden Crime Bill,” so he’s obviously paternal about it. (Then-Rep. Jack Brooks [D-Tex.] was a key player in the House, as was then-Rep. Charles E. Schumer [D-N.Y.], and of course Bill Clinton pushed for it and signed it into law as president.)

The Fact Checker covered passage of the crime bill, which at the time was derided as an ungainly collection of pork-barrel projects and untested crime-fighting concepts — a “Christmas tree designed by Salvador Dali,” in the memorable words of one expert. Violent crime rates had peaked in 1991, for reasons still debated, though that trend was not apparent when the bill passed. Nevertheless, Clinton toured around the country trying to take credit.


As far as i am aware only the president has the power to start a war. Biden was not president in 2002. Why are you continuing to harp on ancient history and not on his record as president?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
While the rest of the world laughed at trump and where he took America form the most trusted country to an also ran.

No biden is not perfect but compared to gropy boy he is a vast improvement.


Of our Australian members I don't know any who don't think biden is a vast improvement over biden.

And speaking with several south African friends i think your are pretty cheap bigging up nothing in your claim in south Africa
Biden is having to deal with the fallout of trump's poor handling of the pandemic. Biden has actually done quite a lot in his first year, but it has been an uphill battle. Many thought we could kick our heels three times and we'd be back in Kansas.

Congress is busy investigating the Jan 6 riot and finding who was responsible in government for organizing this horrific event. The economy is roaring back fast and due to pandemic fallout there isn't enough transportation set up. Things are actually looking very good, and I suspect conservatives are not happy about it because they are still griping about trump losing.

Democrats are facing a huge problem in the USA right now and that is unethical and corrupt Republicans, and the conservative voters who support corruption and the election rigging that is going on in many Republican led state houses.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As i have stated, its his record as president that counts, not his history.
I agree to some extent.
But history has predictive value.
Note that Biden isn't reversing course on some of
the terrible things he's done, eg, civil forfeiture.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
As far as i am aware only the president has the power to start a war.
Actually is it Congress. It has to vote on a resolution. As we saw before the invasion of Iraq the administration can make a case to congress to go to war, but in that case there was a lot of disinformation.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
That is about all Biden can improve on. His own incompetancies.

Wait untill your inflation starts to rise to 8% because of his silly spending, and fuel rises above $6 per gallon.
You will obviously then realise socialism is S***
This is typical conservative nonsense. Conservatives want less government control over the economy and then complain when the free market pushes prices higher. You can't have it both ways. Total hypocrisy.

You want the system to collapse when you guys aren't in power. There is no integrity or honor in conservative values any more. It's all greed. Screw thy neighbor.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Conservatives want less government control over the economy .
This is code for "corporations want less regulations, less taxes and oversight."
Conservatives don't realize they're doing the bidding of corporations and not the working classes.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As far as i am aware only the president has the power to start a war. Biden was not president in 2002. Why are you continuing to harp on ancient history and not on his record as president?
History is important. It illuminates what politicians
value, & their competence. If more of you Biden
apologists studied his record in governance, you
might be less glowing in your praise.
I'll hope for the best, expect little, & prepare for
the worst.

Oh, brother...another foreigner telling us how our
government is run. Have you ever noticed that I
don't tell you what the laws in France are?
Power to Declare War | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
Do you really believe that Biden had no role in
starting the Iraq War? No role in the 1994 Crime
Bill....or that this legislation wasn't so bad?
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
History is important. It illuminates what politicians
value, & their competence. If more of you Biden
apologists studied his record in governance, you
might be less glowing in your praise.
I'll hope for the best, expect little, & prepare for
the worst.

Oh, brother...another foreigner telling us how our
government is run. Have you ever noticed that I
don't tell you what the laws in France are?

Power to Declare War | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
Do you really believe that Biden had no role in
starting the Iraq War? No role in the 1994 Crime
Bill....or that this legislation wasn't so bad?

ROFLMAO re your french quip

I don't care about the iraq war, past history

Who said he had no role in the 94 crime bill. Along with the rest of the elected elite who voted for it?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
ROFLMAO re your french quip

I don't care about the iraq war, past history

Who said he had no role in the 94 crime bill. Along with the rest of the elected elite who voted for it?
We'll have to agree to disagree about the
usefulness of history in judging politicians.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
But inductive reasoning is useful.

BTW, in case you're wondering why I'm such a
jerk today, I'm blaming it on yesterday's booster.

Only in the case of "i told ya so" and that hasn't happened...

Haven't noticed much difference ;-)

You had your booster!!!, Good on ya, hope you don't have any side effects. I never even got a tender arm at the injection site like i did for the first two.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
We'll have to agree to disagree about the
usefulness of history in judging politicians.


History of politicians can be used as a (to repeat) "told ya so" . And will influence the vote to elect or not. However if history remains history you cannot judge the presidency on it
 
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