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Featured {Abrahamics Only} Are you truly monotheistic?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Goddess_Ashtara, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

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    The term "Abrahamic mythology" is simply useless. You seem to instinctively acknowledge this when you talk about terms evolving.

    I am not a polytheist and would argue that much of Genesis 1 and 2 is a polemic against polytheism presented in the language of the day.
     
  2. Goddess_Ashtara

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    When I say "Abrahamic mythology", I am referring to the the grand collective combination of biblical lore, kabbalistic lore, quranic lore, the lore of Abrahamic apocrypha, and miscellaneous lore about Abrahamic perspectives of demons and angels and heaven and hell and God. I find the term very useful, especially considering how my own spiritual-religious system heavily draws upon these things.

     
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    The first commandment is explicit. There is only one God and no others.
     
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    It sounds very discerning, but no less sloppily labeled.
     
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    "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me"

    One might interpret this as "Acknowledge and worship YHWH as the highest and greatest God"... but I can also see how another might interpret it as "believe in no other gods but YHWH"...

     
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    Wanna bet?
     
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    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Bet.
     
  8. Neo Deist

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    God created the universe, including the laws of nature, and set everything in motion. Living beings, especially humans, have free will. In other words, we make our own choices and take the consequences; good or bad. God does not control us or our destination. If God were to intervene, it would no longer be free will. That is why bad things happen to good people; human choices. Besides, what good would an end time judgment be if God was in control? He would be judging His own actions.

    I believe in one deity; God. No other being can hold that title, as they were all created by God. Everything has a purpose and is in the universe by design, even if we do not understand it.

    You lost the bet. :D
     
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    Very good. I admire your knowledge. But there is also:

    Isaiah 45:5-6New International Version (NIV)
    5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    apart from me there is no God.
    I will strengthen you,
    though you have not acknowledged me,
    6 so that from the rising of the sun
    to the place of its setting
    people may know there is none besides me.
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.
     
  10. Sleeppy

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    Free will implicitly contradicts monotheism. With this idea, the will of man is free to subvert God's will, effectively nullifying His authority. It's called autolatry; a form of idolatry.
     
  11. Neo Deist

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    No it does not. Monotheism simply means the belief in a single deity. Free will has nothing to do with the number of gods/goddesses there are.

    If God gave us free will because It did not want a bunch of automatons running around, then so be it. That is my belief and something that you can't challenge.

    What you are describing is YOUR personal belief between free will and God's authority...I dare say predestination.
     
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    With free will, you are declaring yourself a god, capable subverting God's will.
     
  13. Neo Deist

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    Uh, no. :facepalm:

    I believe that God gave us the freedom of choice. Do you really think God cares whether you wear a blue shirt or a white one today? Do you think God cares if you eat a taco or a cheeseburger? How about taking a dump...do you think God controls whether you drop one long turd, or three short ones?

    If you think that God controls everything and all are subject to Its divine authority, then why in the hell would there be a judgment (Revelation 20)? God would be a hypocrite because It would be judging us based on what It controlled and caused in the first place. There would be no such thing as sin because God would cause the sin, thus removing our responsibility.

    In other words...

    God (today): Pete, go commit murder. Rape three women. Burn down a black church in an act of racism. This is my will!
    God (at judgment): Pete, why did you commit murder, rape women and burn down a church?
    Pete: Uh...because you made me do it, since you control everything and all are subject to your will.
    God: You will burn in hell for eternity for my actions!

    Yeah. Time to rethink your position on free will.
     
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    Simply saying "no", doesn't negate the fact. You think you can subvert God's will, with your own.

    Jesus didn't believe in free will, and that is very evident in the things he taught, and in the people he taught them to.


    Revelation is a stumbling block. Don't believe what isn't evident.
     
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    For crying out loud, it has nothing to do with subverting God's will. God gave us free will; the ability to think for ourselves and make our own choices.

    Obviously you believe that God controls everything and all that is happens for His reasons. Ok, fine. Here is a test for you...

    Get in your car and go on the interstate. Floor the gas pedal, take your hands off the steering wheel and close your eyes. If God is in control and wants you to make it to your destination, He will drive the car for you and you'll arrive unharmed.

    (don't actually do that...it won't be pretty)
     
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    God isn't a fool, is He? I won't test Him where I've known Him.
     
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