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Abrahamic - Mormons

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Aqualung, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. jonny

    jonny Well-Known Member

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    Go with your gut if that's what you're feeling. The anti-Mormon literature that you've picked up has accomplished its goal. I've read it all and most of the stuff in those books is hilarious. :rolleyes:

    As for the caution, I feel the same way about most protestant churches so I can understand where you're coming from.
     
  2. mormonman

    mormonman Ammon is awesome

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    Well I'm going to try to answer all of the questions brought up in this post.
    1. In the Bible it says that there are Lords many and Gods many, but to us there is only one. It's there somewhere, I can find it if you need. And it says that we can gain all that the Father has. If this is true, if we could actually gain all that the Father has, logic stands that we can become Gods also.
    2. The Glatians at that time were having issuse w/ false teachers and prophets. I don't know if they were actually seeing evil spirits that posed as angels (which is totally possible), or paul was using that to drive the point home. Anyway the teachings of the LDS Church are in perfect harmony w/ that of Christ and the Apostles. Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:3. Paul says that the Second coming of the Lord wouldn't happen until there has been a falling away. This means there also has to be a restoration of all things. Also Acts 20:29 says that "For I know this, that after my departing shall agrievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock." This is another example in the Bible that there will be a falling away. No other church has the fulness of the Gospel. I don't know if any other church claims to have the fulness of the Gospel. I hope this helps.
    3. The quote that Joseph Smith said about boasting and stuff, I hope that it was taken out of context. Joseph Smith had a great respect for other prophets and especially the Savior of the world. I think I have that book. I'll get back to you.
    4. Maybe Mr. Bennett apostizised from the Church after the revelation in the D&C. I could be good right now and during the next ten years I could turn completely evil. All the revelations of the Lord are totally conditional on us. Bennett wasn't great because he didn't keep the comandments of the Lord. It's as simple as that.
    5. Did you know that there was actually another book to the Book of Mormon. It was the Book of Lehi. It was supposed to be in front of the Book of Nephi. After Joseph Smith translated this book it was lost or stolen. He could have easily retranslated this book, but he didn't. If he would have retranslated the book, the people that had the original manusctipts would have altered the wording so the 2 manuscipts wouldn't match, so the could try to disprove Brother Joseph. This could be the same deal. People might have changed the wording so the stories would contridict, ergo disproving his story. They tried to do this many times.

    Sorry about the length. I hope this explains a few things.
     
  3. curiouslyminty

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    I havent read everything of course. I read the (LDS)Book of Mormon before I ever came to the forums though. What I do now is do word searches through the books that I think mormons would generall agree with. Words like deity, salvation, grace. The later teachings can get a bit superfluous... but the original BoM I find very easy to navigate and peruse.

    No offense taken about not listening. :) With topics like this I usually can't put it down till I have came to a strong belief or disbelief. I'm slightly (ha) OCD.
     
  4. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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  5. curiouslyminty

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    Aqualung- Your right on many points. I feel like I have been taking too close an examination in that post and sort of regret it already. That's not the way to approach the bible or the bom. My error there.
     
  6. jonny

    jonny Well-Known Member

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    I know this is kind of late, but I just came across this webpage and thought you might be interested: http://www.blacklds.org/
     
  7. joeboonda

    joeboonda Well-Known Member

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    The Bible teaches that God was always God and nowhere suggests that he is an exalted man who became a God. The Bible is emphatic in stating that he is eternal and that there are no other gods.
    1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    (King James Bible, Galatians)
    I thought in Revelation at the end of the Great Tribulation, Christ restores His Kingdom and the Millenial Reign begins then, Christ does it, not man..
    Who might a wolf be but one that adds to God's word things God never said in His Word?
    44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
    (King James Bible, Isaiah)
    43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
    43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
    (King James Bible, Isaiah)
     
  8. nutshell

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    weren't you leaving? i'll respond, but i don't have time right now.
     
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  9. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Come on, nutshell! You didn't really believe that did you? :biglaugh:
     
  10. jonny

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    He must have missed the love and wanted to come back to outer darkness. :D
     
  11. joeboonda

    joeboonda Well-Known Member

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    Mwuhaha, just kidding! That was on a couple different threads I said I was done with. I already posted there, too, lol. I wasn't saying I was leaving Religious Forums, just those threads. I'm sorry, I Just was not myself, lack of sleep or something. I am feeling better now. Thanks.
     
  12. curiouslyminty

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    I dont think anyone answered this-
    "...Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me." - Isaiah 43:10
    or
    "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. " - Isaiah 44:6
    or
    "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." - Isaiah 44:8

    In the Orthodox bible God is clearly the only one ever, and none with come after. It is not hard to find verses to support this.
     
  13. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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    Well, I tried to... :D

    We won't ever have another God, we won't see any other being that is our God. It's like the fact that I have a boss. It doesn't matter how many other "bosses" there are out there, she's still my boss. Before her, there are no other bosses, and beside her, there are no other. One of the things to remember, is he was talking to people who had a long history of bowing down before idols. But the most important thing to remember, is that no matter how many other gods there are, we only have one God. It's talking more personally than you're taking it. You're taking it to mean that there are no other gods, total. I take it to mean that there are no other gods that I should be worshipping. I don't know how else to rephrase that... I said practically the same thing each time. :D
     
  14. curiouslyminty

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    :) I just think that you can't find an orthodox group who would agree on the possibilty of other Gods' anywhere in time or in the world. Whether my God or not. And the reason would be that Its a dramatic shift from the original christians Imo Read into the bible after a later decision.
     
  15. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Who are the beings described in the Old Testament as "gods"?
     
  16. curiouslyminty

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    little-g gods are usually referred to as idols. do mormons hold that bhaal is another progressed man who is sort of interferring with our God?

    Though shalt have no other gods before me? refers to idols. you can't serve allah and God, its one or the other. Jesus refers to ANYTHING that pulls you away from God as a master. You can't serve two masters... - Thats the best I can do without a reference Katzpur.
     
  17. joeboonda

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    Yes, GOd said gods, but that they are no gods, they that worship idols worship demons. There are the Sons of God, and there are many definitions as to who they were, like, Kings were considered Gods, and the term often referred to people in high places in earthly kingdoms. But, God plainly and empaticaly says like the verses above, there are no other Gods, not before nor after, nor beside him. He is not saying there are Gods that we just dont know, that are his 'boss', he is saying I am God, and there is none else. This is where Bible-believing Christians differ with those with extra-biblical books, they add things that just are not there.
     
  18. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, how about these...

    Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward...

    Joshua 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD...

    To begin with, the indefinite article (a great God) at least implies that God is being singled out from among multiple divine beings. And the phrase "God of gods" surely cannot be understood to mean "God of idols."
     
  19. joeboonda

    joeboonda Well-Known Member

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    Also in Isaiah 44:8 when God asks yea is there a god beside me, Yea, there is no God. I know not any. He is saying he doesn't know of any other gods and he says there is no other God. Remember that, he said I KNOW NOT ANY. If he progressed, and went before a council of gods, He would know some gods, would He not? But he does not. This is the plain Bible truth. If someone says there were gods before God, they are teaching false doctrine, contrary to the Bible, that would make them a false teacher, or a false prophet, I do not know how to be more plain.
     
  20. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    So do you have an answer for my questions in the previous post, or is this your best shot?
     
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