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Abraham had 8 sons but not "only one" !!!

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by TashaN, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. Deut 13:1

    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    :banghead3 :banghead3 :banghead3

    So you don't believe moses was a Messiach?
     
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    I acknowledge only the holy books of God and your scriptures wasn't one of them.:)
    For the Jewish i only accept Torah from what they have ONLY.

    Who told you that i believe that God may have a son? :sarcastic

    You can ask this to a christian but not to me.

    For me Quran have all what i need all in one book and i just read Torah & Injeel just to EDUCATE myself with true valid holy books.
     
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    Good for you, do you see me going to the Quran and telling you what parts of the Quran you're allowed to use and which parts you can't use? No, you don't. So I'd appreciate if you left telling the Jews what scripture are "in" and what scripture are "out" up to us. If you don't believe the Jewish perspective on the verse, you're free to, just don't sit here and tell us what scripture you can and can't use especially when the Mishnah came from the same person you claim is a prophet, but not Messiach. Do you even know what Messiach means in English?

    You do realize that zachor at yom ha-shabat le-kadsho is from the Torah?
     
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    they translated Massiach as antichrist if i'm not mistaken.

    I just was telling you what i believe in but i didn't tell you don't use your scriptures but i just said don't use it when you discuss about Christians dogma or any other faith in order to prove somthing.

    again i tell you i don't know much about Torah ... got it?
     
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    I didn't say Massiach but i said Massiah and he is Jesus Christ and the Jews rejected him when God sent him to guide them.
     
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    Good, remind me.... Your questions have to do with Bereishis (Genesis) correct? Good, so this is Jewish scripture that Christians adopted later on. If you don't want a Jewish answer on Jewish scripture then say so at the beginning of the thread. Otherwise, expect that I will post explaining Jewish scripture which includes the Mishnah and Gemorah.
     
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    Maybe because he didn't fullfill the requirements that the Jews had??? Ever think of that?

    Also Messiach translates to english as ANNOINTED. Moses, Aaron and tons of other Jews have been Messiach as it simply means annoited one, not saviour, or tourguide.
     
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    Well said my friend... it is so wonderful to have another educated Jewish member on the forum!
     
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    All the world acknowledged Torah as a valid source for Jews but if you have more so it's good in order to seek guidance from it but to not proof things in the Torah itself.
     
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    Nope, because they used to kill thier prophets as they tried to do so with Jesus before he assended to the sky.

    So, are you saying that in case the Jews have doubt about thier Messiah so they just decide to kill him as they were trying to do with Jesus?

    by the way, As far as i know Moses wasn't Messiach because Messiach means anti-christ isn't it?
     
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    All the world? Really this is news to me... I didn't realize Buddhists acknowledged the validity of the Torah. Keep in mind there's something like a billion Buddhists and Hindu people, I guess not all the world accepts the validity.

    But yea, let's assume they do accept it as a valid source, why don't they go stone some homosexuals? Hmmm???? Why don't they eat kosher like me? Why don't they honor the Sabbath? I can go on like a broken record. The truth is, you have no education in the Torah's teachings and you're trying to tell me what parts of Moses' teachings I can and can't listen to, well pooh pooh on you, I now say you can only listen to half of what Muhamad has to say. But I get to pick the pieces you can now debate with. How's that work for you? It doesn't, does it? I repeat, you have your thing, I have mine, why you can't you people just leave us alone? They polled over 1000 Jordan citizens, every single one of them all 100% said they HATED Jews, just leave us alone. You don't understand our religion, fine, at least respect it like I respect yours.
     
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    Okay so all prophets we tried to kill are the Messiach? Your argument is because we used to kill prophets that jesus is now Messiach?

    Actually, if you had half a brain, you'd know the Jews didn't kill him. The Jews were forbidden to punish people with capital punishment during the Roman time period. But keep making up facts to support your poisition, I hear it helps. We handed him to the Romans who then rendered their verdict upon him, and killed him. We have private citizens hand over criminals today, what's the problem with what we did?

    No, someone lied to you.

    The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)

    Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one" (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: "God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord's Messiah [Saul]..." (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)

    Read this, it might be a eye opener for you, and the idea that we killed prophets has nothing to do with us accepting Jesus or not.

    http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp
     
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    Ohh wait a second... Don't say now that i hate jews :eek:

    I never said that.:bonk:

    I just said again and again when the topic is about christians and excatly about the BIBLE so they will not accept your scriptures ( WHICH I RESPECT ALOT) and i have no right to disrespect it as you think so.

    By the way, What was the religion of Abraham? :rolleyes:
     
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    by the way, you are claiming that Christians don't follow the law right?

    What about the Jews? If someone had sex without marriage so will you put him to death as Torah says?
     
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    I didn't say you did as in you, but muslims in general hate us. Just leave us be, we respect you and your Quoran, you don't see us burning Muslim's books, lighting your flag on fire in streets, suicide bombers in Muslim areas, ect...

    They're reading an interpretation of what happened, I'm reading the Hebrew, who is more likely to be closer to the meaning of the passage? Also, Christianity, came from JUDAISM, so JUDAISM's answer's should justify the Chritian answer as well, shouldn't it? I mean, afterall, Christianity didn't change anything, it just full-filled Judaism, right?

    Well both the oral and written was given by moses, so if the torah is accurate, so is the oral law, right? Okay, I'm glad we agree.

    He was a Noahite. Don't know what it is? Look it up.
     
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    Well, I don't see them following Shabbat... Jesus was good enough to follow Shabbat, why can't they?

    No, because I follow ALL jewish laws, including the one telling us that only a court of Ordained Rabbi's (23) are allowed to give capital punishment. Since I'm not a Ordained Rabbi, I'm not allowed to find someone guilty on a capital punishment.
     
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    :( No comment

    I agree :)

    This one is a new information for me and i'm glad that i'm learning from you because i'm uneducated person about the oral srciptures of Jews.;)

    Guess what? He was a Muslim. :D
     
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    So, do this court still exist? that's because i heard somthing like all of them died so the law of putting to death dosn't exist anymore regarding to this matter... is it? :confused:
     
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    No, and as Jews we're not going to change the word of G-d so we can put people to death.

    The Romans killed off the last of the direct line from Moses, once that was done, there were no Ordained Rabbi's and won't be until Elijah returns.
     
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    So you are waiting for Elijah to return so you can use this law?

    Thanks for the information.:)
     
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