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About MAyA

ameyAtmA

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Premium Member
Namaste

I just saw a few threads about Bramh' and mAyA and thought of writing this.

  • First, going by the root or stem of the word, mAyA and mamtA are 2 words that go hand in hand.

Always start with the ordinary understanding of the word.

  • In my native language, mAyA is a mother's love for her children. That is an overlap with mamtA
  • Saying the MAyA is the Divine Mother or Mother (Devi, Goddess) is MAyA are actually metaphors.

  • The real thing is that mAyA is what the mother does or shares. It is her pampering protective blanket on the children, which makes sure the children are comfortable, in their comfort zone and can sustain themselves that way.

  • If you are petting your cat or dog, you are showering them with mAyA, believe it or not!

  • So what about VishNu-mAyA ? VishNu being a role played by Bramh to nurture (grAsishNu & prabhavishNu being the other 2 : BG 13), It is VishNu's mAyA for those kids that need it. That makes VishNu the Mom. Now you may say , but VishNu is Dad.
  • I think He is more Mom than Dad, because VishNu IS Lakshmi, but He is simultaneously Hari that takes away the blockers on your path (thank "God" He is Hari!)

  • Then some folks ask "Why does He do this to "us" "? Well, do you expect VishNu to abandon you in the snowy Himalayas. without food clothing shelter? If you are climbing a 700 step way on a mountain to take Darshan of a Deity there, and after 250 steps you cannot go further, you are cold hungry and tired, and pray to that same Deity - they come to meet you on the 250th step and say - "Don't worry my child, you don't have to climb so many steps. I am everywhere."

  • What is all this? It is Bramh's MAyA!

  • Same as what you did with your child. You don't want the child to go thru' hardships so you make things easier for them but simultaneously teach them good principles of hard work and ethical living.
  • Now you are in the way of your child's spiritual progress if you want to make the road easy and comfortable for them.
  • To make things worse, you cover up their mistakes and keep forgiving them, allow them to slack a little bit. Some parents pull the reigns on a motivated child's austerity by talking them out of it "Oh you don't have to do all this"
  • You are MAyA, the boulder on their path!
  • So how can we blame DurgA, Lakshmi-Narayan, Shiv-Parvati? . They are fulfilling our wishes and needs. Therefore it is said "Be careful what you wish for."

  • The Rushis and spiritual aspirants analyzed Bramh's MAyA and concluded that is is an obstacle to Self-Realization and responsible for the 6 vices in humans + 1 avidyA = 7

  • MAyA does not make us the brat. We want to be the brat.
  • This is how the metaphor Mother Nature is MAyA came into being , but actually, nature is the RESULT of MAyA of Bramh (VishNu-mAyeti shabditA)
e.g. without a conducive environment, living beings cannot thrive.

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  • So the spiritual aspirant grows up from their brat-mode into a mature disciple-mode. That is when the veil of MAyA is gradually and gently taken away little by little. How would you feel if your mother came and yanked away your quilt or blanket , pulled the mattress from your sleeping self in the cold winter? At mid-night or 3 am and did not let you sleep? So this is why MAyA the blanket is not yanked away abruptly as we cannot handlethat.

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  • Now arises a need to explain the mahAvAkya "AhaM BramhAsmI" "I am Bramh'" How absurd is that? How can a tiny insignificant existance in a corner of the universe be Bramh?
  • Because Bramh is the seed that expanded and went thru' so many iterations to become "a being"
There is no need to explain MAyA away any further just because an individual cannot create planet and galaxies yet they are Bramh.

Just the need to sort out our attachments, dependencies and narrow outlooks or selfish traits (tied to the individual body) from the real pure Bramh AtmA , as that is being in MAyA's blnket, and this is outgrowing the blanket.
That is all.
 
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ameyAtmA

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Premium Member
What is your native language, @ameyAtmA?

Marathi ... but mAyA and mamtA are also words with the same meaning in Hindi, Gujrathi and other languages because they are Sanskrit words.

While both can be unconditional, mAyA can be unattached, but mamtA is the Mom's attachment and slight possessiveness for Her kids. "I love MY kids" is mamtA , while "This is MINE" is mamatva.
 
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The Crimson Universe

Active Member
There is no need to explain MAyA away any further just because an individual cannot create planet and galaxies yet they are Bramh.

So when can we create planets and galaxies?

Surely not in an embodied 'jiva' state.

Does that mean when (the drop) become one with the ocean... when the finite becomes the infinite... when the ignorant becomes the all-knowing and all-powerful, will then Brahman be able to create galaxies and universes? What does advaita say.
 

ameyAtmA

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Premium Member
So when can we create planets and galaxies?

Surely not in an embodied 'jiva' state.

Does that mean when (the drop) become one with the ocean... when the finite becomes the infinite... when the ignorant becomes the all-knowing and all-powerful, will then Brahman be able to create galaxies and universes? What does advaita say.
I had not seen this post

Planets and galaxies are forming as we speak.

I don't create them, I became planets and galaxies before becoming other things and living beings on those planets.

Some understand this intellectually
Some experience this mystically
Others see this as a Leela of Bramh'

|| om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ||
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
I had not seen this post

Planets and galaxies are forming as we speak.

I don't create them, I became planets and galaxies before becoming other things and living beings on those planets.

Some understand this intellectually
Some experience this mystically
Others see this as a Leela of Bramh'

|| om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ||

Sorry for using the word 'create'. What i meant was 'become' or 'manifest' and not 'create'.
Thanks for reminding me :)
What about Ishwara or Saguna Brahman?
Do I become that too?

In other words, will it be fair if i say, that I the Nirguna Nirakara Brahman, (before becoming all living and non living things), I become Saguna Brahman like Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva. Will that be a correct thing to say?

I mean if I the Brahman am everything, then am I not saguna brahman as well?
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Sorry for using the word 'create'. What i meant was 'become' or 'manifest' and not 'create'.
Brahman only is what exists. Being manifested or not manifested are just phases. Krishna said:

"avyaktādīni bhūtāni, vyakta-madhyāni Bhārata;
avyakta-nidhanāny eva, tatra kā paridevanā."
BG 2.28
All things are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?
 

ameyAtmA

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Premium Member
I mean if I the Brahman am everything, then am I not saguna brahman as well?
Yes, but we have to be careful with the I -- as people reading will mistake it for a local I. Also, it is best to say that only if and when there is such a realization.
Theoretically you can say anything.
 
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