ThereIsNoSpoon
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No, instead they talk behind their backs
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A Western Feminist Defends the Muslim Veil
- Thread starter Sunstone
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To disrespect someone because of how he or she is dressed would be morally erroneous, would it not? Shouldn't we respect people for more profound reasons than how they are dressed?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
No, instead they talk behind their backs
i see a statement but no proof.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
it isn't all that much about respect though but instead modesty.
in islam even though women and men are all dressed up, it is still not permited to mix the sexes. like i said before, Allah says in the quran do not go near adultery, etc. so not mixing the sexes is a great step towards obeying that command.
it's not like a non muslim woman will get dissrespected by muslim men just because she is uncovered or has less clothes than muslim women, in such cases the prophet has advised us to lower our gaze. but in no way to dissrespect her for dressing the way she has. everyone is free to do what the want. all muslim believe that islam is the only true religion but that doesn't give us the right to dissrespect other faiths and it's followers.
yes we should. we shouldn't also dissrespect people for liking things other than what we like or that do things other than what we like to do.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
How would you like proof to look like in that case?
You want me to talk about Saudi teens and their tricks ?
syberpriend
Active Member
Is Saudi the only muslim country in ur eyes? the topic is talking in gneral, not for individuals dear
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
No. men would just skip that part and move straight to more revealing harassment:
from: The Arab Observer: Jordanian women and sexual street harassers
syberpriend
Active Member
Caladan, EEslam quote for an Islamic society, Jordan specially Amman is too much influenced by western culture, its more open thn to be consider an Islamic society and true Islamic city, Consider some better islamic society, thn quote, and please dnt quote links totaly out of context, bring the complete pic so ppl may get idea clearly.
Rape and sexual assault myths & reasons:.
List of Rape Myths
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Please point me to your 'pure Islamic society', and when you do, please point me to its angelic moral perfection
Also notice the examples in my source, if you really read it you saw it talks about VERY RELIGIOUS Muslim men harassing women.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Please point me to your 'pure Islamic society', and when you do, please point me to its angelic moral perfection
Also notice the examples in my source, if you really read it you saw it talks about VERY RELIGIOUS Muslim men harassing women.
a pure islamic society does not exists today, the west has stuffed it's nose in places it shouldn't have. so a pure islamic society dates back to say the prophet. and the khalifat years.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
No i do not think that Saudi Arabia is the only muslim country. One might even ask whether it is one at all.
Thats not the point.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no present country represents that of islam. the only country that would needs to have a khalif but none do.
syberpriend
Active Member
Please point me to your 'pure Islamic society', and when you do, please point me to its angelic moral perfection
Also notice the examples in my source, if you really read it you saw it talks about VERY RELIGIOUS Muslim men harassing women.
Im giving u link for social and moral conduct of Islam, which a society cana adopt to get good civilisation and living, now after reading it, tell me if any clause u feel uun-human or un-ethical.
2ndly Ive read whole source given by u,most of it refers to young ammani guys, and the females mostly targeted are liberal.
Zebra said...
Its great to see it from a man's perspective. I get harrassed daily walking from my car to my office building. I am not veiled but i do not wear revealing clothing, unless people consider jeans and a sweater to be revealing. I dont know what men think they will get out of yelling at us like horny apes. I once had to stop and yell and a man and ask him if he would like the same to be done to his mother or sister.. he then apologised. Just because women dress nicely it doesnt mean we like to be harrassed. But as a woman i have to say that a woman who likes to show a lot of cleavage is asking for it ( sorry ladies)
10:17 AM
Nas said... Well fadi it is a problem that we have in jordan but i think as you said the main root of this is sexual frustration that our jordanian community forces on us. i mean relationships between men and women are still unacceptable(before marriage) even though they do happen but still in a very descrete and annoying way. this drives the young men to do things that they know are wrong but like to do them as a kind of a relief from this frustration.I mean this doesnt happen abroad or at least not in a dirty sleezy way and i do believe its getting worse i heard many stories of men harassing girls going out of cafes and bars and not just verbally so it is a social problem.
10:37 AM
Suha said... Definition of sexual harassment in Amman:
- Ugly poor east ammani guy with no car making a pass or leering or gesturing to a west ammani girl.
Definition of potential boy friend:
- Good looking west ammani guy with nice car making a pass or leering or gesturing to a west ammani girl.
By quoting example of 1 bad guy (Islamic), u cant judge all the person are same. its individual act, told u already, uve to see in complete as a whole figure, not an individual. Read my article for rape and sexual assault myths.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Would you kindly answer my question eselam?
What kind of "proof" do you expect in the case we spoke about earlier?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
you tell me, it's your statement.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Its a fact and observable what tricks many male and female saudis every now and then use to get into contact.
If you dont know about it then i would assume you have never been there.
If you demand proof for that statement, then tell me what kind of proof you would expect/accept for that. A tv report? Should i wander around and film those people?
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i've never been there.
no need to provide any proof, i can sort of convince myself that you are right, have seen that kind of stuff go on in many other places, i don't think the people of saudi arabia are sinless.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Well if this is so, then why did you say that i had only made a statement and you saw no proof? Obviously you do agree with me.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
at the time you only made an unexplained statement. and you said it was about back biting.
so i don't think i've agreed with you. have i?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Not really. You spoke about whistling after women and i simply intended to say that in supposed islamic societies there are simply other ways to "communicate" ones "desires".
One of them is to use cell phones, another is talking with your fellow pals about the ladies and so on.
I see no difference between people talking amongst themselves about the "*****" over the street and those that whistle when they see her.