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A Warning from Nietzsche

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Taken from Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche:


It is time for man to fix his goal. It is time for man to plant the germ of his highest hope.


Still is his soil rich enough for it. But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow thereon.


Alas! there cometh the time when man will no longer launch the arrow of his longing beyond man—and the string of his bow will have unlearned to whizz!


I tell you: one must still have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: ye have still chaos in you.


Alas! There cometh the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There cometh the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.


Lo! I show you THE LAST MAN.


“What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?”—so asketh the last man and blinketh.


The earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the last man who maketh everything small. His species is ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth longest.


“We have discovered happiness”—say the last men, and blink thereby.


They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loveth one’s neighbour and rubbeth against him; for one needeth warmth.


Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or men!


A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.


One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the pastime should hurt one.


One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are too burdensome.


No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily into the madhouse.


“Formerly all the world was insane,”—say the subtlest of them, and blink thereby.


They are clever and know all that hath happened: so there is no end to their raillery. People still fall out, but are soon reconciled—otherwise it spoileth their stomachs.


They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health.


“We have discovered happiness,”—say the last men, and blink thereby.—


And here ended the first discourse of Zarathustra, which is also called “The Prologue”: for at this point the shouting and mirth of the multitude interrupted him. “Give us this last man, O Zarathustra,”—they called out—“make us into these last men! Then will we make thee a present of the Superman!” And all the people exulted and smacked their lips. Zarathustra, however, turned sad, and said to his heart:



“They understand me not: I am not the mouth for these ears.


Too long, perhaps, have I lived in the mountains; too much have I hearkened unto the brooks and trees: now do I speak unto them as unto the goatherds.


Calm is my soul, and clear, like the mountains in the morning. But they think me cold, and a mocker with terrible jests.


And now do they look at me and laugh: and while they laugh they hate me too. There is ice in their laughter.”
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Here is a list of 69 songs with the word "warning" in the title.

One of my favorites:

Distant Early Warning - Rush
A modern-day warrior
Mean, mean stride
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean, mean pride
Though his mind is not for rent
Don't put him down as arrogant
His reserve, a quiet defense
Riding out the day's events
The river
What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the mist
Catch the myth
Catch the mystery
Catch the drift
The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his skies are wide
Today's Tom Sawyer, he gets high on you
And the space he invades, he gets by on you
No, his mind is not for rent
To any god or government
Always hopeful, yet discontent
He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the witness
Catch the wit
Catch the spirit
Catch the spit
The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his eyes are wide
Exit the warrior
Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the energy you trade
He gets right on to
The friction of the day
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Here is a list of 69 songs with the word "warning" in the title.

One of my favorites:

Distant Early Warning - Rush
A modern-day warrior
Mean, mean stride
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean, mean pride
Though his mind is not for rent
Don't put him down as arrogant
His reserve, a quiet defense
Riding out the day's events
The river
What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the mist
Catch the myth
Catch the mystery
Catch the drift
The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his skies are wide
Today's Tom Sawyer, he gets high on you
And the space he invades, he gets by on you
No, his mind is not for rent
To any god or government
Always hopeful, yet discontent
He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the witness
Catch the wit
Catch the spirit
Catch the spit
The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his eyes are wide
Exit the warrior
Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the energy you trade
He gets right on to
The friction of the day
You forgot "Brimful of Asha on the 45" by Cornershop. *Grin*
 

Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
Taken from Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche:


It is time for man to fix his goal. It is time for man to plant the germ of his highest hope.


Still is his soil rich enough for it. But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow thereon.


Alas! there cometh the time when man will no longer launch the arrow of his longing beyond man—and the string of his bow will have unlearned to whizz!


I tell you: one must still have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: ye have still chaos in you.


Alas! There cometh the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There cometh the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.


Lo! I show you THE LAST MAN.


“What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?”—so asketh the last man and blinketh.


The earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the last man who maketh everything small. His species is ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth longest.


“We have discovered happiness”—say the last men, and blink thereby.


They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loveth one’s neighbour and rubbeth against him; for one needeth warmth.


Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or men!


A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.


One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the pastime should hurt one.


One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are too burdensome.


No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily into the madhouse.


“Formerly all the world was insane,”—say the subtlest of them, and blink thereby.


They are clever and know all that hath happened: so there is no end to their raillery. People still fall out, but are soon reconciled—otherwise it spoileth their stomachs.


They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health.


“We have discovered happiness,”—say the last men, and blink thereby.—


And here ended the first discourse of Zarathustra, which is also called “The Prologue”: for at this point the shouting and mirth of the multitude interrupted him. “Give us this last man, O Zarathustra,”—they called out—“make us into these last men! Then will we make thee a present of the Superman!” And all the people exulted and smacked their lips. Zarathustra, however, turned sad, and said to his heart:



“They understand me not: I am not the mouth for these ears.


Too long, perhaps, have I lived in the mountains; too much have I hearkened unto the brooks and trees: now do I speak unto them as unto the goatherds.


Calm is my soul, and clear, like the mountains in the morning. But they think me cold, and a mocker with terrible jests.


And now do they look at me and laugh: and while they laugh they hate me too. There is ice in their laughter.”


The dude was a crank. I have never understood his fame.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
The dude was a crank. I have never understood his fame.

Instead of dismissing him as a crank, focus on this excerpt, and think about what the people of our society have in common with "the last man." This was actually amazing foresight. If you don't understand Nietzsche yet, no need to comment.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Taken from Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche:
It is time for man to fix his goal. It is time for man to plant the germ of his highest hope.
Still is his soil rich enough for it. But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow thereon.
Alas! there cometh the time when man will no longer launch the arrow of his longing beyond man—and the string of his bow will have unlearned to whizz!
I tell you: one must still have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: ye have still chaos in you.
Alas! There cometh the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There cometh the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.

Lo! I show you THE LAST MAN.
“What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?”—so asketh the last man and blinketh.

The earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the last man who maketh everything small.
His species is ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth longest.
“We have discovered happiness”—say the last men, and blink thereby.

They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loveth one’s neighbour and rubbeth against him; for one needeth warmth.
Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or men!
A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.
One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the pastime should hurt one.

One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are too burdensome.
No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily into the madhouse.

“Formerly all the world was insane,”—say the subtlest of them, and blink thereby.

They are clever and know all that hath happened: so there is no end to their raillery. People still fall out, but are soon reconciled—otherwise it spoileth their stomachs.
They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health.
“We have discovered happiness,”—say the last men, and blink thereby.—

And here ended the first discourse of Zarathustra, which is also called “The Prologue”: for at this point the shouting and mirth of the multitude interrupted him. “Give us this last man, O Zarathustra,”—they called out—“make us into these last men! Then will we make thee a present of the Superman!” And all the people exulted and smacked their lips. Zarathustra, however, turned sad, and said to his heart:

“They understand me not: I am not the mouth for these ears.
Too long, perhaps, have I lived in the mountains; too much have I hearkened unto the brooks and trees: now do I speak unto them as unto the goatherds.
Calm is my soul, and clear, like the mountains in the morning. But they think me cold, and a mocker with terrible jests.
And now do they look at me and laugh: and while they laugh they hate me too. There is ice in their laughter.”

Thanks for sharing: Great insights.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
We can all attempt to judge our fellow man for any particular way that he lives or has decided to live or has come to the ability to live. Do we, any of us, truly know what is best or better? We are able to think we do. I don't know if anything more than survival is somehow required of us - and survival only because not surviving puts an end to all requirement. To do anything at all, we are required to survive - as unfortunate as it may seem, our knowable responsibility both starts and ends there.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The dude was a crank. I have never understood his fame.
There is that, but he also wrote some he the greatest and most powerful of life affirming prose ever written. He was also a fan of playing devils advocate, and he did want to challenge readers, and his personal behaviors and beliefs didn't necessity match his writings (such as him not being the raging misogynist he seems in writing, and his female friends certainly didn't see that in him per their own writings).
 
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Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
Instead of dismissing him as a crank, focus on this excerpt, and think about what the people of our society have in common with "the last man." This was actually amazing foresight. If you don't understand Nietzsche yet, no need to comment.


I think he is a crank precisely because I understand him. I have nothing to learn from him, I determined long ago.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I have nothing to learn from him
Those words, in general, are some of the unwisest words ever and if you can so easily dismiss Nietzsche I have to question your seriousness in reading him. Or if you see nothing to learn in the words stressing the importance of a life with song and dance then your life must be tragically dull (and wasted, according to Nietzsche).
 
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