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A very sad day.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Shadow Wolf, May 25, 2011.

  1. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Living Dead Girl

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    Well, we in Indiana have just been stripped of our fourth amendment right, and our state Supreme Court ruled we do not have the right to resist unlawful entry and arrest.
    Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home
    There are protest going on today, and hopefully this vile act is struck down.

     
  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    You have the right to call one of the violator's cop friends to complain about his buddy.
     
  3. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Living Dead Girl

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    That doesn't have a good history here.
    Charges Reduced Against Drunk Cop : Dispatches from the Culture Wars
    You can call, but they will cover each others backs.
     
  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Yer such a cynic! Cops would never cover up each others' crimes.
     
  5. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Well-Known Member

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    Law enforcement always seems to be rife with corruption and misconduct, and society looks the other way and worships them as heroes.
     
  6. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    I'd guess that the percentage of cops who are either corrupt or misuse their authority isn't a whole lot greater than in the population as a whole, but I don't know how one could test or verify that guess.
     
  7. angellous_evangellous

    angellous_evangellous Pater Familias Staff Member Premium Member

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    That flat doesn't make sense.

    Any evidence obtained illegally is inadmissible.
     
  8. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    The state could always make a federal case about it. Federal law supersedes state law, thus it is still illegal to unlawfully enter in a home. It may be a state law; however, it really has little backing it since federal law forbids the act.

    Thus, is someone would enter into your home unlawfully, you could make a federal case against it, and it would pretty much be a clear cut case.
     
  9. angellous_evangellous

    angellous_evangellous Pater Familias Staff Member Premium Member

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    If they can wipe the cop off the wall.
     
  10. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    But legally planted evidence is admissible.

    The feds don't care about such trifles.
     
  11. angellous_evangellous

    angellous_evangellous Pater Familias Staff Member Premium Member

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    *frubals*
     
  12. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    We used to have some redress from government intrusions on privacy and erosion of civil rights. The courts used to rule against the police and FBI. Papers used to report government excess.
    Recently, however, government does as it wills, courts support them and the "fourth estate" ignores it --a perfect storm.

    Can you spell: p-o-l-i-c-e s-t-a-t-e?
     
  13. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    We need a healthy balance between the right to privacy on our private property and safety concerns. For instance, if suspicious cries are heard, such as the possibility of child or spousal abuse, the police should not need a warrant. However, if that is not the case, the police should be required to first seek a warrant.

    Can you spell h-y-p-e-r-b-o-l-e?
     
  14. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Sounds good to me.

    Yes...I can now.


    An article of interest....
    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/05/25/2011-05-25_cops_fixed_summonses_for_arod.html
     
    Last edited: May 25, 2011
  15. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    Where such a "healthy balance" lies is the issue. Americans seem to be afraid of their own shadows. To compensate they militarise, In militarising they antagonise and threaten.
    They create the very threats they fear.
     
  16. Amill

    Amill Apikoros

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    So now they can basically just make one broad law stating that it's illegal to resist a police officer anywhere at anytime no matter what they are doing. Nice.

    And the article said something about reducing violence in these entry situations. I really doubt anything is going to change. I mean physically resisting an officer's entry made you likely to be arrested even before it was officially made "illegal". What makes them think the violence will now decrease?

    Before law:
    Officers attempt to enter home, use stun gun on the resister then arrests them.
    After new law:
    Officers attempt to enter home, use stun gun on the resister then arrests them.
     
  17. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    I do not even like A-Rod. I can see for Jeter or Mariano. ;)

    Defense outlays in the United States are quite low for our history. Most of the expansion is due to growing productivity (i.e. an expanding economy) that allows are military to maintain parity with the value of the economy.

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