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Featured A simple case for intelligent design

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by leroy, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. SkepticThinker

    SkepticThinker Well-Known Member

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    You are so wrong on so many levels. Starting with your misunderstanding of evolution. I mean, your claims are some of the oldest creationist canards I've ever seen.
    Nobody who understands evolution thinks that anything gives birth to anything other than its own "kind." Dogs don't give birth to cats and if they did, that would be evidence against evolution.
     
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    Origin of Domestic Dogs
     
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    Yes, that's what I said. So in order to demonstrate that you're right, you'd need to show the two originals of each kind that you say your God created. You won't find that if evolution is an accurate description for the diversity of life on earth.

    Your God shouldn't have made it look like organisms evolve over time then, I guess.
     
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    Have you ever heard of a paternity test? If so, how do you think they're done?
     
  5. Wild Fox

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    Do you know him so personally that you are aware of what you god thinks and laughs at. And why is he just a male god. Does he not like female goddesses?
     
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    Correction: Still repeating Wikipedia's "error", in which multiple contributors cite over 100 scholarly sources to correct YOUR error.
     
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    That humans, error prone, need a Savior?
     
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    You are unaware the "He" designation is for a gender-neutral Spirit to be recognized as a male birth?
     
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    Sorry you feel this way. Pray about it?
     
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    Ad populum. No need to reply from me.
     
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    Of course evolution is fact, just not the just-so stories people use to hand wave at original creation.
     
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    One, I see people disagreeing even now on mitochondrial Eve and so forth, I'd say originals are available and you see the data with certain biases, as do I.

    Two, by your logic of "looks", neither should God allow atheists to live happy lives and flourish... for now.
     
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    No no. You arbitrarily extended with “us” the opinion of a minority, that has not much more evidence of their case than flat earthers, to the whole human race.

    So, I suggest, that next time you say “us”, you make it very clear who you mean.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  14. SkepticThinker

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    Interestingly enough, God apparently has the exact same sense of humour that BB does! Isn't that amazing? ;)
     
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    What on earth is a gender-neutral spirit?
     
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    How is mitochondrial Eve considered an original couple "kind?" How about all the rest of original couple "kinds?"
    I'm sorry. ... what?

    God doesn't allow or disallow me to do anything. I live my own life.
     
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    I am familiar with the male use as supposed gender-neutral but in the case of the bible we see Adam primary who was used to create Eve (impossible biology) and the dominant figure naming all life (ridiculous secondary to the actual variety of life on earth) followed by Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus representing a purely male dominated culture and the rejection of the gospel of Mary. Clearly there is a male dominant message so it would appear the god of the bible places males above females and of course it was Eve who started the downfall in man. So "He" does not look so gender neutral.
     
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    Wrong again. Your error is that you either did not read or did not understand the article where it pointed out that the evidence for Jesus was definitely substandard. But given enough substandard evidence an idea can still be accepted.

    But since we are discussing evidence if you want to rely on that then you should accept the fact of evolution. That you accept Jesus on far less than good evidence only shows that you are being rather inconsistent in your actions. Why accept an idea that is poorly supported and reject a concept that is extremely well supported and is constantly tested?
     
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    It would help if you were able to "think about it". Praying only shows that you cannot honestly think about this problem. It is a way of pretending that you are doing something when you are not.

    Let's put "just so stories" on your list of banned terms since you clearly do not understand it. You see "just so stories" are no refutable since the believers, like believers in the myths of the Bible, will change their stories if, and that is a big "if", they ever understand the evidence against their stories. Scientific concepts are testable. That means there are specific tests that can show the concept to be wrong. Creationists are cowards in this regard. They will not give a clear and possible test that would refute their beliefs. It is why by definition they have no scientific evidence for their beliefs.
     
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    Nope, no need for a "Savior" to make up for an incompetent God's mistakes. It is ironic that you cannot see that the Adam and Eve myth paints God as an incompetent God that screwed up his creation and then blamed his product for that error. The story needs no science to refute it. It is logically inconsistent.
     
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