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Featured A Serious Question To Self-Proclaimed Atheists ...

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by PureX, Oct 24, 2021.

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  1. Link

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    Whether Islam is true or not, it's obvious Atheists don't want to believe in God nor follow any potential sent chosen ones of his. This is an obvious fact to me through interaction with atheists for years. This put's the position whether God is proven or not, you guys won't accept it.
     
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    You cannot argue anything into existence, not can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity? I can search YouTube for videos claiming "a deity does not exist", then post links repeatedly to it, would you find that compelling?

    You're insulting my intelligence, and given my mediocre intellect that should have alarm bels ringing.

    WHAT OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE CAN YOU DEMONSTRATE FOR ANY DEITY?
     
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    Well I do have video of Bigfoot, but I have presented it before. For some odd reason it does not appear to convince anyone. Not even me:( Though some days I believe more than others. My main point was that saying "agnosticism is a subset of atheism" is not strictly true since there are a very few agnostic theists.
     
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    Your self is evidence. How? I proven in the video, you can only exist in God's vision. Why/how I know this and make this claim, explained in the video.
     
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    It's obvious you're either being very dishonest or don't know what atheism means. Try again...
     
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    I don't see how the latter logically follows from the former.
     
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    Then it appears that you are saying that God does not exist, because from what I have seen atheists want to believe what is true. Can you see how that is logically consistent? Let me lay it out for you:

    Atheists want to believe what is true

    You claim that atheists don't want to believe in your god

    Since atheists want to believe what is true and they do not want to believe in your god then it follows that your god is false.
     
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    I'm alepraucnists, abigfooter, etc, but we don't tend to form communities and rally against those who believe in those things. We kind think people who believe in bigfoot are not worth the time. Go figure.
     
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    That's a no true Scotsman fallacy.

    What you claim a large demographic will or will not believe has no bearing whatsoever on your claim a deity exists, let alone a specific deity.
     
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    I've never seen an honest Atheist - for example, I've never seen myself an atheists that properly analyzes arguments for or against God. So this is my conclusion, that you guys over all are dishonest.
     
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    That strikes me as a no true Scotsman fallacy as well.
     
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    No true Scotsman fallacy, dear oh dear...
     
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    Agnosticism is a statement of what one claims to know. Theism and atheism are two different beliefs. If a person is an agnostic, but still believes in a god, that is they believe in a god but admit that they cannot be sure of it, they are still theists. Your claim was that "agnosticism is a subset of atheism" is incorrect because those very few agnostic theists refute that all agnostics are atheists. It cannot be a subset of atheism if there are outliers and there are. I would always use a qualifier in that claim.
     
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    My conclusion is you don't know what an a no true Scotsman fallacy is, or what using it means for your unevidenced claim here.
     
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    I know. It was an over generalization since I am sure that there are some that do not have that belief. I was just chewing someone out for not using a qualifier and I should have right there.
     
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    My experience is that Atheists don't know how to apply fallacies properly as well. Go figure.
     
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    I disagree completely.
    However, I also don't see this disagreement as significant.
     
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    And yet you have failed to demonstrate when they do this. At least that has been my experience. I do at least try to own up to my errors, as I recently did when I used an overly broad generalization.
     
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    I am curious. How can an agnostic theist be classified as an atheist?
     
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    Interesting.
    I agree. But the logic by which we assign the label "evidence" to it ends up being subjective. I.e., non-transferable. In all fairness and honesty, we can't even objectively validate it as such for ourselves.
    God then and now has always been the 'hidden motivation' within the natural realm. Science has not changed that, though it has forced us to recognize the abstraction of it.
    Without the former there is no latter. :)
    We don't know what is or isn't possible. Which does kind of mean anything is possible from our perspective, I guess. :)
    I think the reality of a God is hard for a lot of people to cognate. Which is why a lot of people's responses to that question are so ... unintelligible.
    I say, God bless(ed) them, then. :)

    Another interesting comment. I like the way your brain works!
    Simply because it works for me. (I don't "believe in" God. I just choose to presume that a benevolent God exists because I can.)
    A lot of people 'do God' wrong, and so gain no benefit. It's unfortunate. But most do it well enough to get what they need or they wouldn't still be doing it.
    The self is sometimes not going to be enough. Most people won't reach for a God until they come face to face with that realization. And why would they? But the fact is that a whole lot of people in this world have faced that realization, and so have reached out for that 'power greater than themselves'.
    Not individually, though ... collectively. The divine with us can heal us and save us from ourselves. But the divine within us as a collective can heal and save the whole world.
    Only children are stuck with the ideals they've been taught ... by parents or by circumstance. Part of becoming an adult is facing those ideals and choosing to keep or discard them. My response to any adult that tells me they have no choice in what they 'believe' is to "grow up!".
    I don't need to believe anything. And I wouldn't. I can simply accept that you say so, and leave it at that.
    Everyone is aware of the idea. It's the reality of it that we don't know. Just as I stated.
     
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