A Recent Axiomatic Observation ...

[Koldo]

I don't dispute that some theists are certain a deity exists for little specific reason. But theists are all different whereas believers in science are essentially from a cookie cutter and they are not only doing science wrong but their beliefs are necessarily all wrong.

In what way are they doing science wrong?
What beliefs are necessarily wrong?

There's no certainty that God doesn't exist but there is certainty that science will be overwritten one funeral at a time.

Not all of it. Much of our knowledge adds up, rather than overwrites.

even if God doesn't exist theists can still be right about many other things.

Right about many other things like... what?

 

[cladking]

In what way are they doing science wrong?

Scientismists take Peer opinion as being gospel. They believe there is only a single interpretation of every experiment. They believe evidence rules. They believe theory is inviolable just as are the "laws" of nature. They believe that every extrapolation and interpolation of experiment is justified. They believe you don't need to consider every experiment simultaneously. They believe that we know everything and have since the last big theoretical breakthrough. They believe everything for which there is no evidence doesn't exist.

they could not possibly be more wrong. They are blind to anomalies and the reality around them and usually misapply math as relentlessly as they misparse everything said by those with whom they disagree. They are necessarily wrong about every single thing they believe because their beliefs are formatted incorrectly.

Not all of it. Much of our knowledge adds up, rather than overwrites.

Only until the paradigm changes one funeral at a time.

Right about many other things like... what?

Thou shalt not kill. Change in species is sudden and life is consciousness. The holy trinity creates and evil destroys. Illogic is one evil. There are many many more.

 

[Koldo]

Scientismists take Peer opinion as being gospel. They believe there is only a single interpretation of every experiment. They believe evidence rules. They believe theory is inviolable just as are the "laws" of nature. They believe that every extrapolation and interpolation of experiment is justified. They believe you don't need to consider every experiment simultaneously. They believe that we know everything and have since the last big theoretical breakthrough. They believe everything for which there is no evidence doesn't exist.

they could not possibly be more wrong. They are blind to anomalies and the reality around them and usually misapply math as relentlessly as they misparse everything said by those with whom they disagree. They are necessarily wrong about every single thing they believe because their beliefs are formatted incorrectly.

Ah ok. I see where you are coming from now.

Only until the paradigm changes one funeral at a time.

Which is not that common.

Thou shalt not kill. Change in species is sudden and life is consciousness. The holy trinity creates and evil destroys. Illogic is one evil. There are many many more.

A lot of balderdash.

 

[cladking]

A lot of balderdash.

So it's impossible religious people can be right about anything.

Perhaps a study can be made of the Bible to determine exactly what is untrue and then we can always do the opposite and be assured things will turn out for the best.

 

[Koldo]

So it's impossible religious people can be right about anything.

I didn't say that.

Perhaps a study can be made of the Bible to determine exactly what is untrue and then we can always do the opposite and be assured things will turn out for the best.

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[cladking]

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If religious people are always wrong it follows that the Bible, Koran, etc are always wrong. It follows that this is a short cut to learning the truth about everything.

 

[Koldo]

If religious people are always wrong it follows that the Bible, Koran, etc are always wrong. It follows that this is a short cut to learning the truth about everything.

Why would anyone presume that religious people are always wrong?

 

[Joshua Pryce]

This is why racists never think they are racist. AND it why it's nearly impossible to get them to see themselves as being racist. Because to do that, we would have to get them to change their understanding of reality and truth. Which no human being is going to do without a fight, and a significant internal struggle. So it very rarely happens.

Racists do acknowledge they are racist in most circumstances. What makes the difference between one colour and another is spiritual intentions and self belief. As they say everyone looks the same once we remove the skin, so personal ability is personal and foundational to personal growth and experience not entirely according to the colour of the skin.

 

[PureX]

Racists do acknowledge they are racist in most circumstances. What makes the difference between one colour and another is spiritual intentions and self belief. As they say everyone looks the same once we remove the skin, so personal ability is personal and foundational to personal growth and experience not entirely according to the colour of the skin.

It's not the word "racist" that matters. It's the bigotry that it implies. Bigots don't believe they are being bigoted because they think they really are better than those they are bigoted against. So for them, it's not bigotry, it's just reality as they see it.