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Featured A quick question for Christians

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Eddi, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    So He just created some people for no real purpose but to fill up space here on earth? John 3:16 states, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." That sounds pretty all-inclusive to me. He loved "the world" and not some of its inhabitants. I'm sorry, but I just have a really hard time thinking that our Creator would not want all of us to return to His presence someday. Do you actually believe He would not permit some to have the opportunity to repent and accept His Son's sacrifice?
     
  2. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Something tells me you know a whole lot more about the Jehovah's Witnesses than you're letting on. I mean when your beliefs line up identically with theirs, it's hard to see that as a coincidence, if you know what I mean. ;) You may not officially be a Jehovah's Witness, but you certainly couldn't have come up with that doctrine on your own.
     
  3. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I could not have conceivably stated it better.
     
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  4. lostwanderingsoul

    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    I am not and have never been a JW. I am not even sure exactly what they believe. Maybe they and I both know some truths that others do not?
     
  5. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Yeah, whatever. That would be a huge coincidence, particularly since you've never given any scriptural support for your beliefs. :cool:
     
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  6. Samantha Rinne

    Samantha Rinne Active Member

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    You can change your posting options on your Profile. It takes roughly a week to update. If you feel like you're trolling too much, you probably should (I posted something on the Abrahamic section that was a bit too brutally honest so yeah, I'm switching again).

    I personally don't believe Christianity is or should be, a fan club. If you are seeing membership in Christianity as salvation, consider Jesus's own words.
    "And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham."

    What Jesus wants is good followers, not a good belief.
     
  7. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Yes!!!!!
     
  8. lostwanderingsoul

    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    And I have never seen an support that the Word was created or that Jesus is Michael.
     
  9. exchemist

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    I am slightly disappointed that you seem to have deliberately chosen to misunderstand me. I take this as evidence that I've probably taken this as far as it can go, with you.
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you need to make your position clear so that it cannot be misunderstood.
     
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    I see no reason why you could not sincerely engage in a relationship with Jesus as an imaginal figure and reap as deep or even deeper rewards than your average Christian.
     
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    I'm a Christian who is ready and willing to accept the idea that Jesus was a largely fictional creation of a portion of the Jewish community who found in their belief in Him (never proof based) that they had found their representative before an amoral God on earth. The gospel authors largely imagined this historical figure. You can literally find a deep psychological response within you if you believe in Him. It is entirely unnecessary to believe in Him literally accept temporarily while engaged in a sincere imaginal engagement.

    Like going to a movie and temporarily suspending disbelief in order to allow the emotionality or mystery of the story to overtake you. Entertainment that is soul cleansing...
     
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    Yes, there is a difference between paying dues and experiencing actual personal transformation (aka psychological improvement) from serious and sincere effort.
     
  14. exchemist

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    Good point. Once one realises that religions are, at root, a guide for living your life, one can see value in the teachings and the example of biblical figures such as Christ, irrespective of whether you believe in the literal truth of the stories.
     
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  15. InChrist

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    I can't understand why anyone would have such an attitude about their spiritual life and more importantly about something which could have very real eternal consequences. No one has this mentality when it comes to physical realities. I mean who in their right mind would get on a plane with someone who imagined they were a pilot, but didn't actually have any training or qualifications? Or worse yet, who would jump off a cliff in an attempt to fly because they wanted to imagine being a plane or a bird!? Would you go have surgery from a pretending surgeon?

    The gospels state that Jesus is the Savior, who went to the cross to pay for the sins of the world, rose from the dead in victory over death, and offers forgiveness and eternal life to all who trust Him. It is ridiculous to think that the authors of the gospels, the Apostles, or other early Christians imagined Jesus. It is really one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. It is documented that all these Apostles, except John and many other early believers were imprisoned, tortured, and brutally killed for believing in Jesus, for testifying that He rose from the dead and that they saw Him alive after His death on the cross. People don't just endure torture and go to their death for a lie, for their wild pretend imaginations! All they had to do was say they made it made up stories about Jesus and they would have saved themselves a lot of pain and suffering...but they never did because everything they said about Jesus they knew to be true, unless every single one of them were united in insanity or were all liars.

    And how is lying soul cleansing in any possible way?
     
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