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A Question for Muslims

Discussion in 'Islam DIR' started by dybmh, Dec 25, 2019.

  1. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Question: Does the concept of a "Righteous Jew" exist in Islam?

    If I understand: a Righteous Jew would have the following traits:

    1) Does not knowingly contradict the Qur'an in speech deed or thought.
    2) Does not insult Muhammad, Muslims ( or anyone ) in public.
    3) Is not a Hypocrite.
    4) Does not violate treaties.
    5) Does not interfere with a Muslim's worship of Allah or emulating the behavior of Muhammad.
    6) Adopts a peaceful friendly disposition towards others.
    7) Worships One G-d, and no Idols ( whenever possible... everyone makes mistakes, of course )

    Does this idea have any basis in Islam?

    ( I was inspired to post this question because of a thread created by @firedragon. See quote below: )

     
  2. CriticalThinking

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    Depends on what you refer to by "Islam"
    I as a Quran only follower the points 6 & 7 are enough to call anyone a righteous person

    "... anywho believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
     
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  3. Link

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    Peace,

    Yes, but I put one more trait. He searches and strives for the truth and for the current set of guides to hold on to, and truly is convinced through his research Judaism and not Islam is right in this regard. This has to be due to the way Islam is misrepresented to them, and can't be when truth is presented, because truth and it's proofs should be accepted.

    Also, like all humans, they can't support oppression and oppressors.
     
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  6. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Thank you so much @Link,

    I'm reading this ^^ now...
     
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    Your welcome, and just to add, you don't have to be monotheist or people of the book to qualify as "without power" (to reach the truth) or "who's affair is with God" (neither believers or disbelievers), it can even be an Atheist who can't find reasons to believe in God to due the way propaganda has convinced them of "science" or dumb theories out there.
     
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    Just finished reading it. Thank you very much again.

    Is the word translated as "unbeliever" in each example the same word in Arabic? Are there different Arabic words for it?
     
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    Yes, but in Arabic, it's active withdrawal of belief or their is the case, where a person chooses not to even give a book of God a chance to guide them or reads it with mockery and jest. In this case, without sincerity, it's a type of disbelief.

    Then there is the reality and we have to put this into account, the sorcery upon the holy books is such that Jews don't see Mohammad clearly in the Torah while believers will see him, and Sunnis due to the sorcery don't see Ahlulbayt in Quran while their position is clear therein, and so God was clear as possible can be, but a dark sorcery on the hearts along with misguiding leadership out in the open, makes it difficult.

    There is also a hadith not in the link I gave you that says that a person without power (to disbelieve or believe) is a person who can't recite Quran properly and understand it while God has made it that all people should be able to recite and understand it.

    This includes people with mental problems that can't digest, it includes people with work circumstances (no time to study), and it includes also those overwhelmed with falsehood due to the sorcery in the spiritual world and it reinforced in the outward world.

    God forgives and even beginning, believers were told to forgive a people who don't hope in the days of God.... It was later when people oppressed believers did God expose them as disbelievers who hate the truth.

    There has been an ancient battle between love and envy, the tree of life is to be loved, while Satan truly believes in his envy and has deceived himself to be righteous while his true intention (though he doesn't perceive) is to bring people to the fire promised for his followers.

    He is sarcastic when he talks to Ahlulbayt's "God" really accusing them of having a false God and undermines their authority and believes all miracles to be act of power of sorcery and magic, while not acknowledging the power and system of the universe.

    So everyone can deceive themselves like Iblis did, and that is not forgiven. It's forgiven only when there is no slight atom of hate towards the family of the reminder of the time, and all households God permitted to be risen in the past and his name and light seen through them, cannot be hated to the slightest.

    Rather, a person, can be mistaken about the truth but can never hate the essence of it when shown.

    Many people deceive themselves of being honest and striving for truth, but really, live their lives turning away from it. This concept of without power to disbelieve or believe should not be ways to justify this hate towards truth or turning away from it.
     
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  10. Pastek

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    You should stop bashing sunnis with this "ahlulbayt" thing.
     
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    Why is that? It's like saying stop being mean to Christians over trinity, to me it's not a forgivable sin to remain blind to Ahlulbayt just as it would not be towards the family of Moses and Aaron just as it would not be to the family of Nuh and the Ahlulbayt of Abraham and Sarah. Of course the exceptions to this rule has already been mentioned (which is the topic).
     
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    Sunnis don't live in the past. What happened between all of them is between them and God.
    We don't judge people just like Allah said concerning previous people (not talking of ahlulbayt but you get it) :

    2.134 That was a nation which has passed on. It will have [the consequence of] what it earned, and you will have what you have earned. And you will not be asked about what they used to do.

    Just try to be a good muslim and don't say to others that are not into shirk that they won't be forgiven just because they think differently.
     
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    I'm sorry you are bring ambiguity into the equation, either Quran appoints chosen leaders to hold on to after the Prophet or it doesn't. If it does and it's clear, it won't be forgiven unless circumstances made it nearly impossible to believe in them or see them.

    God's Messengers and the Mahdi is the last promised one to be one, and is not currently a Messenger, but will become one on time of need of believers and the oppressed, must be believed in.

    God is the True King, and the battle to restore authority to him and his chosen trusted kings is not over.

    The verse has nothing to do with this subject.
     
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    The Quran has shown without ambiguity, when his chosen kings are abandoned for idols we choose, and God disobeyed for humans, the intention can only be Shirk, there is no intention other then Worship of Iblis possible, though it's hidden in the hearts.
     
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    The revelations didn't come to an end to humanity so that we abandon God's authorities nor did he put end to Prophets so that he doesn't appoint mediators between him and humans, nor did he end the Quran revelations with Mohammad so as to cut of his hand and rope to humanity and let the oppressors misguide humans with no chance of guidance.

    Far exalted is God above what the Sunnis say about him.

    He sealed revelations with Mohammad to perfect and complete the religion, and that's through Wilayah of Ali and the chosen offspring of Fatima.
     
  16. Shia Islam

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    According to the Islamic teachings, at each historic era, God will have his chosen people.

    This is a general rule.

    However, not all members of the chosen group are good people, nor the other groups does not have chosen sub-groups and individuals.

    At a certain point of history, Jews were God’s chosen people.

    After that - and I am talking according to the Islamic view and may be some Christians agree to this too- the Jews have done evil on earth and continued to do evil!

    So they are not God’s chosen people any more.

    However we are talking here of the Jews as a whole group.

    As when we look into the details, we find that many Jews are praised even in the Quran itsself..

    Here are some verses which seems to be referring to some Jewish people, and many Tafseer books support this view..However, one need to make good research before making a final judgment about any Quranic verse:

    “Is it not a Sign to them that the Learned of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?” Verse 26.197

    “Bethink you: If it is from Allah and ye disbelieve therein, and a witness of the Children of Israel hath already testified to the like thereof and hath believed, and ye are too proud (what plight is yours)? Lo! Allah guideth not wrong-doing folk.” Verse 46.10
     
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