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A Problem with Belief

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. Fool

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    a problem with belief is in the fact that everyone doesn't share the same space/time experience. so then the subjective experience of belief when applied/forced upon another, isn't possible due in part to the illusion of time/space differences?


    so unless the belief is questioned by the subject of that belief, then the reality that transcends space/time cannot be realized?
     
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    That reality can't be realized by us, anyway, as we cannot transcend space and time, regardless. Which is why debating the existence of a God that transcends space and time is absurd from the outset. And yet that debate never seems to end.
     
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    probably because there is still a vast sea of existence which we humans still know nothing about which keeps disturbing our carefully constructed models of reality, proving they are questionable or outright errors, [like the whole flat earth / earth-centric model] as if our incomplete knowledge of the phenomenology [and man's pride in his work, dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's] causes these 'transcendental' anomalies [in a manner of speaking] by virtue of the ignorance in the forming of them without including these unknowns we keep on 'discovering' over time.....
     
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    We do love to pretend we know it all, already. It makes us feel safe and in control.
     
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    well, given the alternative state of mind, can people really be blamed for their existential cowardice?
     
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    I've gotten to the point where I question all of my experiences. Even the apparent physical experiences. Not to the point where I no longer rely on them for day to day decision but to the point where I wouldn't be surprised to find out there is something going on beyond my awareness that would change everything I believe about reality.
     
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    but some beliefs; when questioned and tested, turn out to be true. this thread was created with the skeptical idea that people should have their beliefs and be allowed to apply/force them upon another without question.


    here in lies the problem of trying to force belief of the kingdom of god into reality. the evangelical's voted for trump to increase this very thing. it's my understanding the prospective scotus nominee wants the same. it is also speculated the entity judas wanted this too. this has been a problem since jesus' time and before even. the messiah was supposed to come and the kingdom of god with it? its been 2500+ years.


    the reality is that its possibly already here and yet no one is questioning it. so are there those who are creating god in their image vs all images of god, missing the point that the existence of God is eternal/infinite and here NOW?


    see the problem? there is this supposed thing that is infinite and yet it's coming in time, or some certain space. infinity goes beyond time/space when it's omnipresent, or even infinite/eternal. it isn't coming all the time, it isn't going all the time but it is always being in all space/time.

    you can measure time. you can measure space. but infinity isn't measurable when there is no contrast to it. what god is let no man put asunder

    see the problem?

    the self can't know the all by the pretense of a observer separate from this ALL. that creates contrast. creates opposition to that All. creates division. it sets it up to fail. but self can know some of that all by knowing self. this can be observed by looking inwardly and finally discovering in the mirror at least some of the All.






    and once this oneness is realized self can never be separated from it in space or time. all are ONE. I AM always with you, even until the end of the age.


    this is the WAY
     
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    What does “subjective experience of belief” mean?

    Luckily, I think Bible is more about right understanding than right belief. :)
     
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    life experiences; especially being influenced by the environment self is born into and projected on to others.


    the clothes do not make the man because wolves and vipers try to portray their outward appearances as innocuous.
     
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    Belief is a fundamental building block to cosmic order, the basis of all life. So it depends how you use the word.
     
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    -every man is right, in his own mind.
    -like sheep, they go so easily astray, each one going their own way.
     
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