Rational Agnostic
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Please vote.
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A poll for creationists
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Father Heathen
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The thing is, there is already more than enough evidence, so those willing to change their mind would have already done so a long time ago.
Oh good. We needed another one of these.
Gee... I wonder how this one's gonna turn out...
*yawns*
Wake me when it's over.
Gee... I wonder how this one's gonna turn out...
*yawns*
Wake me when it's over.
Yes... that is why it is still hotly debated
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yes... that is why it is still hotly debated
It's only "hotly debated" in the U.S. (unless you wish to include undeveloped, 3rd world countries), and that's only due to willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
I know... my wife is a Venezuelan... I will let her know that mr intelligent Heathen says how ignorant she is.
Of course, everyone else is intellectually dishonest... so says mr arrogant.
But, hey, its a free country.
Misunderstood
Active Member
I voted yes, as I do believe in aspects of evolution. But, would you believe in God if presented with enough evidence?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I know... my wife is a Venezuelan... I will let her know that mr intelligent Heathen says how ignorant she is.
Of course, everyone else is intellectually dishonest... so says mr arrogant.
But, hey, its a free country.
No, not everyone else. Just those who reject logic and evidence only because it conflicts with what some random group of primitive goat herders wrote many millennia ago. It is ignorant and dishonest.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
First problem there is no objective verifiable evidence for God's existence. This is the bottom line for the nonbeliever.
The next problem becomes which God?
The science of evolution cannot be partially into neat packages to believe part and not others. I realize that some Jewish, Christian and Islamic believers conditionally believe in certain aspects of evolution. One common belief is that the animal and plant kingdoms evolved, but not humans. Another is evolution occurred, but 'Intelligent Designed.'
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Clarify, which two have relevant points?
The problem with there being enough evidence to convince fundamentalist Creationists to believe in the science of evolution as a science is too fold.
(1) Fundamentalist Creationism has a hierarchy. At the top are a few scientists [ie Discovery Institute] and well educated theologians. These are the authorities of Creationism. I believe the higher authorities know the evidence for evolution is adequate. The lower levels of the hierarchy are the believers that in general believe in a literal scripture and look to the higher hierarchy for support. In general they have less education and rarely investigate evolution independently. In discussions and debates I hear the same standard cookie cutter arguments for all.
(2) The second issue is the emotional investment in the religious belief established by the predominance of the Church Fathers and/or the authors of the New Testament. In fallible human nature this can supersede any consideration of the objective evidence for the science of evolution, and by the way the science of the history of our earth and the cosmos.
(1) Fundamentalist Creationism has a hierarchy. At the top are a few scientists [ie Discovery Institute] and well educated theologians. These are the authorities of Creationism. I believe the higher authorities know the evidence for evolution is adequate. The lower levels of the hierarchy are the believers that in general believe in a literal scripture and look to the higher hierarchy for support. In general they have less education and rarely investigate evolution independently. In discussions and debates I hear the same standard cookie cutter arguments for all.
(2) The second issue is the emotional investment in the religious belief established by the predominance of the Church Fathers and/or the authors of the New Testament. In fallible human nature this can supersede any consideration of the objective evidence for the science of evolution, and by the way the science of the history of our earth and the cosmos.
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whirlingmerc
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To vague of a question. Of course opinions might be altered. But do you mean hypothetically? I don't believe such evidence exists that would get me seeing eye to eye with Richard Dawkins if that's what you mean
Yes... if they reject knowledge is ignorant. There are sheep followers in both arenas who never think.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Elaborate.
This is only true to the extent of the fallible nature of humans, but . . .
Science encourages critical skepticism, and challenging existing science and unknowns is the adrenalin for the advancement and change in science. It is questionable that most religions encourage this level of skepticism.
Could you amplify to what you believe and not believe concerning evolution and why, and how you view Dawkins.
Misunderstood
Active Member
I don't totally agree with that statement, as I feel there is if you look for it. Also, I feel the same argument can be made for the beginnings of evolution. We are here so it just happened, no working ideas of how it even happened, just that we are here so it had to happen. Why couldn't it have been through God or ID?
That is a good question, but I don't think that is part of the OP. So I will let you decide.
So you believe everything that is written about evolution and do not question any part of it? I think scientists question everything as they learn more, but from what you say neither you or I can question anything?