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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Looncall, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    You are confusing "saints" with Christians, and mixing up rumor with facts. Was "Vespasian" your "beast" of Revelation 19:20, or was it Nero, and how and when were they thrown into the lake of fire? And if you call Titus your "false prophet", when was he thrown into the lake of fire, and how did he help deceive those who had received the mark of the beast, and how are the deceived marked, and the consequence of the mark? It is the "another" king of Daniel 7:24, who follows the "ten horns" of the beast, who will "make alterations in times and law", who will "wear down the saints" (Daniel 7:25) for time, times and half a time? I believe you listed Trajan as your last horn of the beast. Who "follows" Trajan, but be "different from the previous ones" (Daniel 7:24), and will "wear down the saints"? And was Nero "slain", as you had previously stated, or did he commit suicide, as you just noted? I think your house is built on shaky ground.

    Most of the historical evidence for Nero persecuting Christians comes to us from the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote between 115-120 CE, at least fifty years after the events he was describing.
    Nero, the Execution of Peter and Paul, and the Biggest Fake News in Early Christian History

    As for persecution of saints, there were around 97,000 Jewish prisoners taken to Rome by Caesar Vespasianus Augustus and his son Titus, and they were used as gladiators, food for lions etc.
    Titus' Siege of Jerusalem - Livius

    Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
     
  2. sooda

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    The mark of the beast is pretty well understood.. Jews didn't like the engraved head of Caesar on the Roman coin which was used to buy and sell.. and they didn't like having to worship Caesar once a year to get a writ /certification to allow them to buy and sell.

    Nero committed suicide with assistance.

    Titus set fires all over Jerusalem.. he also fits the bill because Queen Berneice, the granddaughter of Herod was his mistress. They sided with Rome and the Jewish faction that sided with Rome.

    The tribulation saints are followers of Jesus.

    10 types of Gladiators

    The noxii were the lowest of the low in Roman society. By far the lowest class of civilians, they were those deemed so offensive to Roman society that they were not even classed as people. These types of people included (in no particular order) Christians, Jews, those who deserted the army, murderers, and traitors. They were not selected for gladiator school, and their appearance in the arenas was purely to die in the goriest way possible as punishment for their crimes.

    http://listverse.com/2017/04/17/top-10-types-of-roman-gladiators/

    The first century symbolism is very hard for us to understand 2000 years removed from the events of the tribulation, but it helps to remember how often they repeated the same idea using different symbols.
     
  3. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    You must be talking about Islam and the blind support that the Left gives it.
     
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    I do not like labeling people, but I will make an exception in your case, your views are heretical thus making you a heretic.

    It is a waste of time to try and discuss truth with one who espouses heresy.

    I won´t do it, have a nice day
     
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  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Nope, but about your abuse of islam
     
  6. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    If Islam can’t take it, it shouldn’t dish it out.
     
  7. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    It seems you are the one building walls.

    And still no answers
     
  8. Notanumber

    Notanumber A Free Man

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    These Islam supporting elites are the ones living behind walls in their gated communities with their security systems and panic rooms.
     
  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Ha, ha! Sheesh, i just do not believe the delusion. Left wing now gated community.
     
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  10. sooda

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    LOLOL.. No matter where you travel, you usually get as good as you give.
     
  11. 2ndpillar

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    Yeah, I can see where if you would have to explain your "new covenant", versus the message of Yeshua, there would be a problem. Best thing is to burn the "heretics", that way you don't have to face your fate. The "reapers" are coming whether you are ready or not (Matthew 13:38-40).
     
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    Jeremiah 31:31-34 31"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
     
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    How do you "abuse" "Islam", if you are not a Muslim? Who is abusing who? Who is cutting off heads?
     
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  14. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    You are talking terrorists, not representative muslims in general in the same way anti balaka and the LRA dont represent christianity.
     
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    Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the "new covenant" made with the "house of Israel" and "the house of Judah", when the "Law" will be written on their hearts, when "no longer will they teach their neighbor.. 'know the LORD', because they will all know me".
    Well that is apparently not the case, for apparently no one knows the "LORD", for everyone is teaching their neighbors to know the LORD. If you read the prophets, such as Ezekiel 36:24-26 & Ezekiel 37, this does not happen until the dead rise, and Ephraim and Judah are reunited, and they "observe My ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:27). I doubt if Shmogie claims to be either one. He just thinks his "wickedness" has been forgiven. Yet he will die, and become perishable (Jeremiah 31:30). What comes will come, despite what one was taught.
     
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    And who are making the Fatwas to facilitate the actions of these faithful followers/terrorist? Is it the tail leading the head, or the head leading the tail? And who is sending these terrorist money? As for "Christianity", they have their own problems, they have a history of burning heretics/unbelievers. Their future isn't as bright as they would hope (Matthew 13:38-42). You want to be one of the "few", not of the "many" (Matthew 7:13). The "tares" are described as those "who commit lawlessness (Matthew 13:41), which would be the followers of Paul (Romans 7:6).

    Matthew 13:38-42 King James Version (KJV). 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
     
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    You must have some special insight and interpretive powers.
     
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    No, don´t burn them, smile and pity them. Those who are confused about whether they are Jews or Christians, believe they can jump through hoops to please God, and reject Grace need to humble themselves before God, and get over thinking how righteous they are.

    Your righteousness is is as filthy rags.

    Since you appear to think you are part Jew, why, in the true Jewish religion, was there continual sacrifices, and a day of atonement, where ALL the people took part, because ALL the people were unrighteous ? Nothing has changed, just the sacrifice. The law cannot be kept perfectly, it exists to show you how depraved you and I are, that is itś purpose.

    • So, I will pray for you, your Jewdianity will not work.
    Many in the end , the sophists, pharisees, the gnostics, and all the rest and perhaps you will tell The Christ of all the hoops you proudly jumped through, and He will give you some very bad news.

    Adieu, ciao, aloha, auf wedersehn, adios, goodbye
     
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    People from the Middle East/Asia country's are branching out throughout the world and procreating with Europians, Americans, etc. In 500 years they will be the majority in many, if not most places. I grew up in a smaller town and there are a lot more there now than there were 45 years ago. Its almost like they are saying if you can't beat them one way, beat them another way.
     
  20. 2ndpillar

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    You miss the lesson when you take a quote out of context. Your "new covenant" a "covenant with death", in which you think you will evade the coming overwhelming scourge",... "shall not stand" (Isaiah 28:15-18). Which is to say, your false gospel of grace/cross, shall "not stand" the rain, wind, or flood (Matthew 7:27).

    Isaiah 64:5 You welcome those who gladly do right, who remember Your ways. Surely You were angry, for we sinned. How can we be saved if we remain in our sins? 6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like a polluted garment; we all wither like a leaf, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind.…

    New American Standard Bible Pslam 89:14 & Isaiah 28:16-17)
    Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Lovingkindness and truth go before You
     
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