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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Looncall, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member

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    Sad.. Up until the communists overthrew the monarchy in 1974 Afghanistan had a high literacy rate, cinemas and a café society.
     
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    Paul was eating food sacrificed to idols/gods, which are representing the sons of the dragon/devil, demons. One of three things James told Paul not to do. Paul's followers also eat blood, and fornicate. Paul apparently lost the letter that was given to him by James, or the dog ate it.

    1 Corinthians 8:4-13 4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one." 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god,
     
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    Paul wrote Corinthians from Corinth in 56 AD... Your interpretation makes no sense at all.
     
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    If I were to deliberately incite religious zealots to firebomb your house, and harass your family, I'm pretty certain I'd get a reaction. This is the kind of speech that is illegal in some countries, including the U.S.
     
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    The people of Corinth sacrificed to gods, and apparently that meat was sold at the meat market. What is there to not understand?
     
  6. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    "apparently" according to who? Was ALL meat sold in the Corinth market sacrificial? Seems unlikely. I think you're reaching.

    What metal is Corinth, anyway?
     
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    Uhhhhhh, that's not actually true.

    The US has freedom of speech. It is restricted in some incidents (can't libel, slander, or get people to gather for a riot), but you won't get arrested if you annoy someone.

    For one, this sort of speech does not ultimately have to be responded to, meaning you are proposing that being an idiot is a crime, and blaming the victim. For another, if you do get your house firebombed, arresting you for it, rather than arresting someone for oh I dunno firebombing your house is arresting the wrong person. The person doing all that is committing a crime, but here you're punishing speech.

    Let's assume what you're saying, but for something different. I go online hoping to date. Go to, I dunno eHarmony. Instead, I meet a serial rapist. "Well because of what you said online, you deserve it!" Yeah, that's what this is implying. That somehow you should be not only firebombed and harassed but also arrested for speaking up. How about, how dare you. No.
     
  8. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
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    Even if that were true, it's the European's fault for becoming nihilistic and decadent, allowing their cultures to slip into decline. Vacuums will be filled.
     
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    I once calculated based on a polling study that 60% of Trump supporters are xenophobes.

    I will pray that you find peace in your heart and that you stop being afraid of people different than yourself to the point that you go around looking for videos that fuel your fear.

    Hating others wont make your life any better.
     
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    Notanumber A Free Man

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    What has all that got to do with criticising/slandering an ideology?
     
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    Notanumber A Free Man

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    Ignoring the evidence will not make your life any better.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    You aren't even a Muslim, and many Muslims would disagree with you. Much like Christianity, some Muslims believe that duty is solely up to god. And like Christianity, some of them also believe in predestination. Are you going to next declare some Christians aren't Christians because they might accept infant baptism as legit or do not accept the divinity of the trinity? And of course the Abrahamic texts as a whole have a very flawed sense of morality, such as labeling Lot as a righteous man despite him doing things such as offering his daughters to be gang raped.
    No true Scotsman - Wikipedia
     
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    The only authority which all sects of Islam agree upon is the Quran. Apart from that the Sunnis follow the Caliphs and the Shiahs the 12 Imams.

    There are many Muslim’s now who only accept the Quran and not the hadiths.
     
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    Christianity says the same thing about the Bible. That didn't prevent countless schisms from forming a myriad of denominations. Different interpretations, different paths, different beliefs, same book. And no objective way to verify who is and who isn't right or wrong because each and every group brings their own passages to support their claims, and all three religions rely on books riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions.
     
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    Yes in both the cases of Jesus and Muhammad They never appointed successors or wrote a will so it became a contentious and controversial issue after Their passing which led to sects being formed. The same with Moses too.
     
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    The schisms of Christianity are nothing like that of Islam, it's really not comparable.

    Jesus had disciples. As for Muhammad, that's the whole root of the Sunni/Shia split. We believe there is direct succession in the Prophet's family (Ahlbayt), namely Ali, whereas Sunnis believe the succession is through Aisha's father Abu Bakr.
    Either way, it resulted in two completely different Islams, one with a strong tendency towards Esotericism (Shia) and the other with a tendency towards Exotericism (Sunnism).
    As a Baha'i, I'd expect you to both know that and side with Shi'ism on that topic, seeing that your religion came out of the Shayki School..........:rolleyes:
     
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    Yes Baha’is believe that the Shiah line was the correct one.
     
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    But yet nevertheless they formed over some very significant issues. Some Sunnis will insist Shias have it wrong, while some Shias will denounce Sunnis as false and hell-bound. Some that don't care all that much for that divide. Some, such as Wahabi, that are extremely conservative (with Saudi Arabia having "morality police" to enforce "proper and righteous Muslim behaviors"), while most Muslims would find such an interpretation to be unreasonable. And we have no way to objectively determine who is write and who is wrong.
     
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    Ummm Islam was not at the same time as jesus. so how could he make critique of a belief that not was told? Isam arise 600 years after Jesus
     
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    Do you eat only Kosher foods?

    Any sacrifice to idols was, therefore, meaningless. The meat sacrificed to non-existent gods was just food and nothing more. So the enlightened Christians at Corinth believed they could attend a feast in a pagan temple safe in the knowledge that pagan gods did not exist, that the sacrifice was meaningless and the food served up was just food.

    In chapters 8–10, Paul works on an elaborate compromise between two factions in the Corinthian church. The more educated and socially elite group, who unlike the poor ate meat regularly and not just when it was doled out at pagan festivals, had well-to-do friends who would serve meat. They probably represent the liberal faction, who consider themselves “strong” and the socially lower group “weak.”

    The Christian could never be sure about any meat which he bought if he held it wrong to partake of these offerings. Further than this, he would—especially if he were poor—feel it a great privation to be entirely out off from the public feasts (sussitia), which perhaps were often his only chance of eating meat at all; and also to be forbidden to take a social meal with any of his Gentile neighbours or relatives.

    St. Paul treats it with consummate wisdom and tenderness. His liberality of thought shows itself in this—that he sides with those who took the strong, the broad, the common-sense view, that sin is not a mechanical matter, and that sin is not committed where no sin is intended. He neither adopts the ascetic view nor does he taunt the inquirers with the fact that the whole weight of their personal desires and interests would lead them to decide the question in their own favour.

    On the other hand, he has too deep a sympathy with the weak to permit their scruples to be overruled with a violence which would wound their consciences.

    While he accepts the right principle of Christian freedom, he carefully guards against its abuse. It might have been supposed that, as a Jew, and one who had been trained as a “Pharisee of Pharisees,” St. Paul would have sided with those who forbade any participation in idol-offerings. Jewish rabbis referred to passages like Exod. 34:15; Numb. 25:2; Ps. 106:28; Dan. 1:8; Tobit 1:10, 11. Rabbi Ishmael, in ‘Avoda Zara,’ said that a Jew might not even go to a Gentile funeral, even if he took with him his own meat and his own servants. The law of the drink offering forbids a Jew to drink of a cask if any one has even touched a goblet drawn from it with the presumed intention of offering a little to the gods.

    Besides this, the Synod of Jerusalem had mentioned the eating of idol-offerings as one of the four things which they forbade to Gentile converts, who were only bound by the Noachian precepts (Acts 15:29). But St. Paul judged the matter independently by his own apostolic authority. The decision of the synod had only had a local validity and was inapplicable to such a community as that of Corinth. St. Paul had to suffer cruel misrepresentation and bitter persecution as the consequence of this breadth of view (Acts 21:21–24); but that would not be likely to make him shrink from saying the truth.

    Were the Corinthians sacrificing to idols?
     
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