a muslim specialist of hindouism

[Breathe]

please it s interesting give me the sentence in the holy book purana in sanskrit and in english

"There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified."

Spoiler: Sanskrit here

Source: Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad





Please bear in mind though: I hold no belief in the text itself, and I don't believe in prophecies, so I do not believe in the claim of Muhammad being a "promised one" mentioned in Hinduism, nor do I believe this claim of Muhammad being foreseen as a "ghost".

 

[Riverwolf]

"There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified."

Spoiler: Sanskrit here

Source: Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad





Please bear in mind though: I hold no belief in the text itself, and I don't believe in prophecies, so I do not believe in the claim of Muhammad being a "promised one" mentioned in Hinduism, nor do I believe this claim of Muhammad being foreseen as a "ghost".

As an addendum, I've heard also that this portion is a forgery added after Mohammad lived.

 

[Breathe]

As an addendum, I've heard also that this portion is a forgery added after Mohammad lived.

Yeah, that's how I see it too.

 

[alishan]

ok i see i don t want to proove you nothing but we should see by scientifik vcheck

we should see scientifically if Mohamed was a demon by seing the testimony of great intellectual writer , masters, historian of the world

and see in the other hand what people said about Hitler or musolini who were great devil and very bad men, scientifically if the testimony are the same so Mohamed can be compare to a bad man but if it s the contrary...

we can start by an hindou master swamy vivekananda

You ... people have very hard ideas and are so superstitious and prejudiced! These messengers must have come from God, else how could they have been so great? You look at every defect. Each one of us has his defects. Who hasn't? I can point out many defects in the Jews. The wicked are always looking for defects. ... Flies come and seek for the [ulcer], and bees come only for the honey in the flower. Do not follow the way of the fly but that of the bee....
Mohammed married quite a number of wives afterwards. Great men may marry two hundred wives each. "Giants" like you, I would not allow to marry one wife. The characters of the great souls are mysterious, their methods past our finding out. We must not judge them. Christ may judge Mohammed. Who are you and I? Little babies. What do we understand of these great souls? ...

if we ask this master about hitler or musolini would it be the same words?

 

[alishan]

LAMARTINE ON THE HOLY PROPHET (S.A.W.)

Lamartine, who was a French historian, wrote in his ‘Histoire de la Turquie’,Paris, 1854, the following in praise of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (peacebe upon him):
“Never has a man set himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, sincethis aim was superhuman: to subvert superstitions which had been interposed betweenman and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore therational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfiguredgods of idolatry, then existing.
Never has a mane undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeblemeans, for he had in the conception as well as in the execution of such a great designno other instrument than himself, and no other aid, except a handful of men living in acorner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lastingrevolution in the world…
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the truecriteria of human genius, who would dare to compare any great man in modernhistory withMuham m ad?
Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer ofrational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrialempires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards allstandards by which human greatness may be measured, we may ask, is there anygreatest man than he?”

if we ask about hitler or Musolini would it be the same word?

 

[alishan]

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Hercules, the Great Roman Emperor, asked many questions about Prophet Mohammad PBUH to Abu Sufian and reached the conclusion of the truth of Mohammad's Call. He even said: ''if i were in his presence, I would wash his feet''.
And the beard Of King Al Najashi of Habasha (Ethiopia) became wet with his tears when he heard some of what Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) came with, Al Najashi said: ''these words and what Jesus said, come from the same lantern''.
And the French Philosopher, Lamartine said: "Mohammad (PBUH) is the Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of fantasies.
In all standards by which human greatness is measured, we may well ask: Is there any man greater than Prophet Mohammad?!''
And the Famous English playwright George Bernard Shaw said: ''The world much needs a man with Mohammad's bright thinking. If a man like Mohammad were to assume The rule of modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems and bring peace and happiness to it''
And Michael Hart, said : "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels''
And The great Indian Leader Mahatma Gandhi said: After i finished the second part of the Biography of Mohammad, i felt i needed to know more about this great personality. He uncontested, won the hearts of millions of people''.
And Thomas Carlyle, the English writer, said:”. He guides them to what he loves for them in this life and in the eternal life''
And George Wells, the English author regards Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) the greatest personality who established a state for justice and tolerance.
And the researcher Ligtner said: '' i declare my hope to see a day coming in which the Christians will highly respect Jesus through their respect to the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Truly the Christian who recognize the religion and right brought by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is clearly the true Christian''.
And the Famous Russian writer LEO Tolstoy believes that Mohammad's religion will prevai lover the Whole World as it is in conformity with mind and wisdom.
And Jean-Louis Michon, the french orientalist, said : ''Islam which ordered Jihad or Holy War, had much tolerance with followers of other religions...
As per the teachings of Mohammad (PBUH), Omar Bin AL Khattab (RA), did not inflect harm on Christians when he conquered Jerusalem.
And the Well-known French historian Gustav Lobon said Mohammad is the Greatest man that History ever knew.
And Will Durant, author of the Story of Civilization said: '' if we rated greatness by the influence of the great on people, we will say Mohammad is the greatest of the great in history''
If we ask about Hitler to this people would it be the same words?So can Mohamed sws can be consider as a devil?

 

[alishan]

but if you beleave in God just ask him before sleeping if Mohamed is a devil or a real prophet he will give you an answer during sleeping or in the day

i have no anger to you my brother in God

peace

 

[Breathe]

but if you beleave in God just ask him before sleeping if Mohamed is a devil or a real prophet he will give you an answer during sleeping or in the day

I'm skeptical about the ability for one to receive a revelation from the Divine, especially over such a trivial matter - to me such a question to the Divine would be like asking for a revelation on what colour socks to wear tomorrow.

 

[alishan]

ok

let s close this discussion, anyway hating or loving Prophet Mohamed it s just for us , for him we are like flies or mostico his spirit is not like ours like said swamy vivekananda

Who are you and I? Little babies. What do we understand of these great souls? ...

Mohamed is like a Sea of light the one who want to take some it s for him , and the one who don t want it s for him too. The sea don't care at all

but all the beleaver of all the world should be sure that Mohamed is a devil to say that because if he s not you have accused THE HABIB all God , the Holy Prophet and the consequence for you is like if you have touch the baby of a tiger

because God is Vishnu but also Varuna , his attribute can be Kind but also terrible

 

[alishan]

A highly controversial book titled ‘Kalki Autar’ (a guide and Prophet for the whole universe) has recently been published in India. Pundit Vaid Prakash, the author of this monumental work, is a brahman of Bengali descent and is a professor and researcher of Sanskrit (a classic Hindu scriptural language) at Ilahabad University. He, after a great deal of research, study and hard-work has presented his work to as many as eight great Pundits, all established Sanskrit and religious scholars in their own right and they have duly declared Professor Parkash’s work unambiguous, scholarly and authentic.
Important religious books of Hindu India give a vivid description of the "Kalki Autar" and prophesies of his coming. To great amazement and delight of Professor Prakash, this description fits perfectly on the Holy person of the Prophet Muhammed (saw), the Last Prophet to humanity.
Here are some specific quotes from the Hindu sacred book, Veda:
1. The 'Kalki Autar' will be the last Messenger / Prophet of Bhagwan (Allah) to guide the whole world.
2. The 'Kalki Autar' will be born in an island/peninsula (may refer to 'jazeeratul Arab').
3. The 'Kalki Autar's father’s name will be 'Vishnu Bhagat' and his mother's name will be 'somanib'. The Sanskrit word ‘Vishnu’ means Allah; the word ‘bhagat’ means slave or servant (The the name ‘Vishnu Bhagat’ refers to ‘the Slave of Allah’ or Abdullah, the Holy Prophet’s father); the Sanskrit word Somanib stands for ‘peace/tranquillity.—this will go for the Holy Prophet’s mother, Amina which means the same in Arabic.
4. The 'Kalki Autar' will live on olives and dates, will be true to his words and will show exemplary honesty. The Prophet Mohammad was popularly known as Siddique (truthful) and Ameen (honest).
5. The Veda mentions 'kalki Autar' to be born in the respected and noble dynasty of his land; this is true for the Prophet Muhammad (saw) as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah.
6. The prophesied 'Kalki Autar' will be taught in a cave by the Bhagwan through a very special messenger; history reveals that the angel Jibrail visited the prophet in the cave of Hira to reveal the first five verses of the Holy Qur’an.
7. The 'Kalki Autar' will be provided by the Bhagwan with the fastest of a horse that will he will ride to visit the Seven skies/Heavens. This is a reference to the Burraq taking the prophet (sws) to the Seven Heavens.
8. The 'Kalki Autar' will be assisted and strengthened in a big way by the Bhagwan Himself. We know that Muhammed (saw) was divinely aided and reinforced by Allah (swt) through His angels in the battle of Badr.
9. The Veda mentions that 'Kalki Autar' will be well versed in horse riding, arrow shooting, and swordsmanship; Pundit Vaid Parkash hastens to point out that the use of horses and spears is long gone and the followers of Veda would be ill-advised to wait for the 'Kalki Autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears in this day and age.
Many other world scriptures clearly point out to the same "Last Prophet" - none other than the Prophet Mohammad (sws). According to Abdul Haq Widyarthi’s monumental research in a book titled "Mohammad in the World Scriptures" similar clear, unambiguous prophesies have been laid down in many other religious books, such as, the Bhudda’s Tripitika, several Hindu scriptures including Purana (prophesies the coming of ‘Mehmed&#8217, Upnishads, Athra Veda, and Rig Veda, and also in the Zoroastrians’ Avasta. All one needs to do is have a clear, open mind and heart to pay attention to this very special, single message Allah (swt) has preserved uncorrupted in these books of wide following. May Allah, the Most High, give the inner light to those waiting for the ‘Kalki Autar’ and ‘Mehamed’ to realize that he has already come and gone more than 1400 years ago--and the Vedas, Upnishads, Avasta, Bible, and Taura are now replaced for ever by the one and only, the untamed, uncorrupted Book of God—the Glorious Qur’an!

 

[A-ManESL]

Alishan you should note that cutting and posting information from other websites to such a large extent isnt permitted on Religious Forums.

I found all this identical info on this site.

Regards

 

[alishan]

ok no problem

 

[alishan]

what is the difference between Brahman (the supreme God) Ishvara, Bhagavan and Parameshwara?

 

[A-ManESL]

As far as my limited knowledge goes (and I hope people will correct me if I am wrong) in Hinduism the many gods are seen as aspects of one central Reality or Godhead, which is called the Brahman. Brahman cannot possibly be described because it has no attributes, being the substratum of all attributes. Brahman does not act, being the substratum of all action; it simply is. It is the power of Brahman that acts. Brahman in association with its Power is called Ishwara (The rough equivalent of God, the Father in Christianity). The three functions of Ishwara are personified in Brahma(creation), Vishnu(sustain) and Shiv(destruction). These also manifest themselves from time to time in human form: such as Rama and Krishna. These also have female principles associated with them, which represents their Power, like Parvati is associated with Shiv. These female principles themselves have many aspects represented through Kali(the aspect of death). In summary all these Gods and Goddesses represent dimensions of Brahman. A Hindu will readily agree that ultimately God(the Reality) is One and for this reason he may be called a monotheist.(His idea of monotheism is not identical to the Abrahamic idea as you can see.) He however does have the choice of directly worshipping the formless Reality (Vedanta philosophy) or from choosing from any number of cults which seek to celebrate in one aspect of that Reality. The various Gods and Goddesses do therefore represent one of the whole.

Regards

 

[Riverwolf]

what is the difference between Brahman (the supreme God) Ishvara, Bhagavan and Parameshwara?

Brahman isn't really the Supreme God as opposed to Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman. (Parameshwara is actually one of the names of Siva. ^_^) Rather, all three refer to the same thing, but in different circumstances.

This is how I see it (remember that I'm a pantheist, not really a monotheist):

Brahman is used in reference to the total aggregate of all existence.
Paramatman is used in reference to that which is experienced when a person experiences Brahman (oneness of all things.) Atman, a related term, is used in reference to to us being Brahman.
Bhagavan is the personal deity superimposed onto Brahman.
Ishvara means Lord, as in, Lord of the Universe.

All three are ultimately the same, though.

If I may be permitted, I'd like to try explaining this in reference to Allah(and monotheistic God-concepts in general):

Brahman would be used in reference to Allah when He's omnipresent.
Paramatman would be used in reference to Allah when He's "closer to us than our jugular vein."
Bhagavan would be used in reference to Allah when He's prayed to or worshiped.
Ishvara would be used in reference to Allah when He's on His throne.

And just as the Qur'an describes Allah as "One without a second", so is Brahman described in the Upanishads as "One without a second."

 

[shankara_kalady]

A-manESL a question for you. Is it true that Muslims want to make India into an Islamic state? Or do Muslims not mind living under a Hindu rule? Because if the first is the case, try to look at it from a Hindu POV. India is Hinduism's native homeland. They have fought and died for it many times. Hinduism is in a sense the life-blood of India.

Hindu rule?

Currently the Congress Party is ruling India. And most prime ministers of India have come from this party. The party leans towards the minorities (Muslims, Christians) and hence I don't think there is a "Hindu rule" in India.

Besides, the law in India is quite different compared to the US. The law sees people on the basis of religion. India has separate civil laws for Hindus, Muslims, and Christians.

 

[alishan]

Mohamed as a devil

That includes the Bhavishya Purana prediction.. of the incarnation of a Tripurasura great demon known as Maha-Mada / Mahamad

Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad

First many other holy books of hindouism announced Mohamed sws positively and with good description
http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/muhammad_prophesised/hindus.htm

And in analyzing the link you provided, I can point out some flaws in the translation. First, it says that "Mahamada" accompanied the king to the domain of Shiva. There, Shiva allegedly tells the king about "Mahamada" who has established himself in a foreign country, even though "Mahamada" is already with the king! Second, the translation given for the word "mleccha" is at best deceptive, as the reference provided shows clearly that the word is generally used to refer to any foreigner. While it can mean "wicked person", the more general meaning is foreigner. Third, the text states that the king and "Mahamada" went to the desert to see Shiva, but according to Hindu mythology, Shiva resides in Mount Kailash, which is cold and snowy. So what is he doing in the desert?

Furthermore, according to another Hindu website, the Bhavisya Purana is not a reliable text in the first place. The author states:

"Bhavishya Puran is not considered an authoritative religious scripture. It is amply clear that the book continued to be written till late 19th century. Because it also contains stories of Jesus Christ, Akbar, Sawai Jai Singh, Alha Udal, Tulsidas, Surdas, Guru Nanak, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, Shivaji and even Queen Victoria and her Parliament. Bulk of the material seems to be written during foreign rule. Thus, Bhavishya Puran does not even come in category of evidence, when it comes to Hindu religion."

See: Zakir Naik claims Prophet in Hindu Scriptures

In any case, it would seem that even if the Bhavisya Purana were reliable, the translation provided by the website you referenced is deceptive and self-contradictory, as shown above. For more information, I think someone who is a scholar of Sanskrit and the Puranas would be needed.

 

[alishan]

conclusion is that bavishia purana is not a strong source to say that Mohamed sws is announced positively or as devil

 

[alishan]

but i dont know what the hindous think about the kalki autar that a non muslim bengali said that it was Prophet Mohamed sws
Prophet Muhammed in Hindu Scriptures

 

[EddyM]

If I may be permitted, I'd like to try explaining this in reference to Allah(and monotheistic God-concepts in general):

Brahman would be used in reference to Allah when He's omnipresent.
Paramatman would be used in reference to Allah when He's "closer to us than our jugular vein."
Bhagavan would be used in reference to Allah when He's prayed to or worshiped.
Ishvara would be used in reference to Allah when He's on His throne.

Haha wow I don't know of any better perversion of Vedanta than that.

A thousand years of Muslims spitting on Hindus as being the lowest of the low of infidels and persecuting them as invaders and rulers in India been easily sweeped aside and insulted by this Genius.

And just as the Qur'an describes Allah as "One without a second", so is Brahman described in the Upanishads as "One without a second."

Really? where?