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a muslim specialist of hindouism

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by alishan, Dec 23, 2010.

  1. alishan

    alishan Active Member

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    hi

    i am looking for a muslim who know very well Hindouism for exampl former Hindou who have become muslim.

    thanks
     
  2. Madhuri

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    Why do you need to find a Muslim who knows about Hinduism?
     
  3. Christian Gnosis

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    I doubt anyone that truly understands Hinduism would leave it for Islam. Most Muslims I've met who were formerly Hindus are just bitter individuals, who had no real grasp of Hinduism to begin with, and just converted to Islam to bash Hinduism, or for shock value to their Hindu relatives.
     
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  4. Madhuri

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    That's also the impression I get. A lot of uneducated Hindus have converted to Islam and Christianity in India.
     
  5. Sahar

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    Maybe because they become educated! ;)
     
  6. A-ManESL

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    Speaking as someone who is an Indian and knows a little bit of what actually goes on, conversion of tribal and lower caste Hindus in India is mainly because of the Christian missionary activities. The tribals and lower caste Hindus are treated badly due to the caste system and once they convert to Christianity (there is very very little conversion to Islam: mainly the conversion is to Christianity) many are helped by missionaries to find jobs and status.
     
  7. Madhuri

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    A-Man is probably the best person to speak to in this...topic(?)...on this forum.
     
  8. Christian Gnosis

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    You know I'm not even sure why India still has the caste system. It can be shown using the Rig Veda and other early texts, the caste system is clearly an innovation brought into Hinduism quite late.
     
  9. Christian Gnosis

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    See this is what I'm talking about. Many Muslims are very crude and degrading toward non-Abrahamic religions. Is this to insinuate that non-Abrahamics have no knowledge?
     
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    Brought into India, specifically. I know, I'm surprised it is still manifest at all. I get the impression that it is dwindling slowly though.

    A-Man, what do you think?
     
  11. bhaktajan

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    Maybe this, maybe that.

    But, by popular common knowledge, we know that anyone who tries to convert to Christian, Jew, Hindu, Zoroastrian or Buddhist in Arabia or Iran would really be . . . not very smart.
     
  12. Sahar

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    Well, many non-Abrahamics are very crude and degrading towards Abrahamic religions. ;)
     
  13. A-ManESL

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    Yes it is dwindling Madhuri, but very very slowly. I dont expect it to go until a long time, possibly 50 to 100 years. Its effects had permeated virtually all spheres of life and in rural India it is more widespread.

    By the way I believe the caste system is mentioned in the Gita. The distinction is that the caste system is mentioned there so as to show a way for people to live orderly and disciplined lives and the equality of all people at various stations is maintained. Discrimination based on the caste system, with the idea that one caste is lower and another is upper may have originated later as a byproduct of identity politics.

    Regards.
     
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  14. LuisDantas

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    Mainly because the Abrahamic religions call that upon themselves by being so sadly lacking in defenses against Fundamentalism and Literalism, but yes, that certainly does happen.
     
  15. Sahar

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    So, the non-Abrahamics have a reasonable excuse to be degrading but the Abrahamics are degrading because it runs in their nature for example?
    What do you want to say exactly?

    Side note: using words like "fundamentalism" doesn't help.
     
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    Actually, yes, that is indeed the case.

    You are a Muslim, so I trust that you are well aware that even a religious tradition that was pure and healthy at its conception may lose its way along time. Word reached me that Islam teaches that exactly that happened with Judaism and Christianity.

    I happen to agree. However I don't believe that the Muslim Tradition (I will not call it Islam because it seems to me that "Islam" is more properly the name of a Higher Ideal that may well not actually exist on the surface of Earth), which aims to preserve and correct the religious teachings of those two Traditions, did quite succeed at that.

    Unfortunately, the Muslim Tradition repeated and if anything emphasized the mistake that IMO makes the Abrahamic Faiths inherently deserving of criticism: it teaches people to trust Doctrine and to be obedient and submissive. Unfortunately, submission is anathema to religious wisdom.


    Hopefully I made myself more clear above. If that is what you asked, I mean.
     
  17. A-ManESL

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    This submission is not of a kind of "do nothing. Its Gods will" or "do not attempt to use knowledge and think for yourself". The Islamic surrender is being at peace with God.

    Regards
     
  18. LuisDantas

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    Oh, and about the OP. Have you heard of Rene Guenon? He is not a very easy read, and I guess one does not necessarily agree that he is a Muslim, but he certainly seems to qualify to me.
     
  19. LuisDantas

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    Hopefully you are correct. I must confess that I don't see a meaningful difference, however.
     
  20. Christian Gnosis

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    A-manESL a question for you. Is it true that Muslims want to make India into an Islamic state? Or do Muslims not mind living under a Hindu rule? Because if the first is the case, try to look at it from a Hindu POV. India is Hinduism's native homeland. They have fought and died for it many times. Hinduism is in a sense the life-blood of India.
     
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