a most horrible event

[esmith]

You and I have had this discussion before.

But I know better. My family is from "The Region" and lots of my family now live in Chicago.
You can keep saying that you know better than we do. But I not only don't believe that, I believe that you've got partisan reasons for believing what you do.
Tom

Yeah, and you have been wrong every time according to Federal and State laws. But guess you will never learn.....typical.

 

[columbus]

Yeah, and you have been wrong every time according to Federal and State laws. But guess you will never learn.....typical.

And I'm not talking about laws.
I'm talking about the reality. Much of the Chicago metro region is in Indiana.
Tom

 

[esmith]

And I'm not talking about laws.
I'm talking about the reality. Much of the Chicago metro region is in Indiana.
Tom

If they live in Indiana then they are Indiana residents.
Just what firearm laws do you think Indiana is lax in compared to Illinois/Chicago firearm laws?

 

[esmith]

And I'm not talking about laws.
I'm talking about the reality. Much of the Chicago metro region is in Indiana.
Tom

If they live in Indiana then they are Indiana residents.
Just what firearm laws do you think Indiana is lax in compared to Illinois/Chicago firearm laws?

So, if we disregard the issue with Indiana and focus strictly on, in this case, Chicago, what is the root problem that must be dealt with.
Obviously it is gang violence and the use of firearms to enforce their agenda, correct?
So, in my opinion, the first thing that must be done to provide safe streets and to allow the return of businesses.
Again in my opinion it is not the "guns" fault since it is only the instrument of those who are creating the violence.
Therefore you must deal with the individual first and the only way to do that is with a strong law enforcement presence.
However, for a strong law enforcement presence you must have a government that is willing to address the issue directly and provide law enforcement the laws and tools to do the job.
The only problem is that the community must support the actions of law enforcement to "fix" the problem.
Yes there are going to be incidents of possible law enforcement misconduct. That has to be dealt with.
So, address the root issue first.

 

[Thief]

If they live in Indiana then they are Indiana residents.
Just what firearm laws do you think Indiana is lax in compared to Illinois/Chicago firearm laws?

a friend of mine (haven't seen for a while)

came to my house with a new purchase
and I noticed his 45 on his dash board

in Indiana .....you can apply for a gun permit
simply by visiting your sheriff
who will then hand you a little pink card to show you have done so

after that
you can walk into any establishment with weapon in belt
no questions

drive around with the weapon on your dash board.....loaded
no problem

but it's been a while
any updates?

 

[BSM1]

a friend of mine (haven't seen for a while)

came to my house with a new purchase
and I noticed his 45 on his dash board

in Indiana .....you can apply for a gun permit
simply by visiting your sheriff
who will then hand you a little pink card to show you have done so

after that
you can walk into any establishment with weapon in belt
no questions

drive around with the weapon on your dash board.....loaded
no problem

but it's been a while
any updates?

In most of the US you don't need a permit of any type to do this. You only need a permit if you plan on concealed carrying.

 

[Thief]

In most of the US you don't need a permit of any type to do this. You only need a permit if you plan on concealed carrying.

????
that seems contrary to what I have been told

open carry....no permit needed?

 

[Thief]

here....more local

the gun needs to be locked up for transport
and the ammo in a separate container

no carry at all without permit

 

[Thief]

oh....and back to topic....

in Indiana there has been a killing

it started with a street scene ....an argument.....BLM vs ALM

it got nasty and the white guy had to draw weapon to back off the aggression
defending himself and his fiancé' and small child

the aggressors soon returned and shot the mother in front of her three year old child
snipered

so now I grieve again

I am concerned
the situation is becoming grim

 

[BSM1]

here....more local

the gun needs to be locked up for transport
and the ammo in a separate container

no carry at all without permit

If I am not mistaken, the SOTUS ruled on open carry being protected by 2A.

 

[Thief]

If I am not mistaken, the SOTUS ruled on open carry being protected by 2A.

will seek it out
thank you

 

[esmith]

a friend of mine (haven't seen for a while)

came to my house with a new purchase
and I noticed his 45 on his dash board

in Indiana .....you can apply for a gun permit
simply by visiting your sheriff
who will then hand you a little pink card to show you have done so

after that
you can walk into any establishment with weapon in belt
no questions

drive around with the weapon on your dash board.....loaded
no problem

but it's been a while
any updates?

What is you problem with that. Many states allow open carry.without a permit along with concealed carry without a permit. I do not believe in open carry unless you are in the boonies. He however has to abide by the laws of any state. So if he is openly carrying in a state that does not allow that he is breaking the law.

 

[Thief]

So if he is openly carrying in a state that does not allow that he is breaking the law.

true....and I told him so

but I believe the right to bear arms should NOT be infringed upon
carry should be allowed
and no law to prevent or inhibit

but of course
the law and the people who put themselves at risk
would then see their jobs as walking into a war zone
and not from from so.....as it is

 

[esmith]

true....and I told him so

but I believe the right to bear arms should NOT be infringed upon
carry should be allowed
and no law to prevent or inhibit

I agree.
However, until it the law is changed by the residents of a State then it is the law.