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A More Compassionate Response to Abortion

SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Wildswanderer said:
All that tells me is that Christian woman were honest when asked.
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It also tells you that seven in ten women who have had an abortion indicate that their religious preference is Christian. Which answers your question as to how we know that Christians most people who seek abortions in the US are Christians.

"you are aware that most people who seek abortion are christians in the USA?"

"How would you know that? Do you fill out a card with your religion on it at the clinic? I doubt it."
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Fool said:
if a person was pro-life, would it be a better response to offer someone who is considering abortion, financial and/or physical support? Then at the end of the pregnancy ask the person to release the newborn to either themselves, an adoption agency, or the state protective services?

how is forcing someone to have an unwanted and probably unplanned pregnancy going to ensure the longevity and well being of a potential person, a fetus?

when did controlling your neighbor, or trespassing against your neighbor become ok with the biblical commandment not to trespass?

is it OK to steal from peter to pay Paul, who may/may not be a fully formed and born individual?
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Maybe instead of many clinics employing Dr's and staff to perform abortions, they should have many/more clinics with professionals/counselors that teach about and provide contraceptives.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Neither are the prochoice people. You are advocating enslavement.
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Well we do imprison murderers right? Is that slavery?

My point is the question boils down to when is abortion murder? So that's the question. It's illogical to talk about slavery if it is murder.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
74x12 said:
Well we do imprison murderers right? Is that slavery?

My point is the question boils down to when is abortion murder? So that's the question. It's illogical to talk about slavery if it is murder.
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That is a personal opinion even divided among Christians.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
your belief system doesn't align with your political stance.
without the breath of life, the breath of god in it, it is not a living being, not human. the bible makes that clear in genesis 2:7. god first created a body that the spirit of god; which is eternal, inhabits after the body is fully formed and god breathes the breath of life into.
if it never takes that breath, it never lived. it can't breath; if it doesn't have fully functioning lungs
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I've already disproved this logic by pointing out they do use oxygen. Why do we breathe at all? If someone who is alive and their lungs stop working and they are kept alive on a machine. A mechanical lung ... are they alive by your logic? Apparently not.

I don't think the argument you're using is scientifically accurate or makes any sense. God breathed on Adam the breathe of life but babies in the womb are arguably already quite alive. They're multi-cellular organisms sustained by oxygen and other necessary chemicals.

So the real question is when or if their life has value. You've already compared their life to that of a cancerous growth. So I think for you they do not have any value.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
We Never Know said:
Maybe instead of many clinics employing Dr's and staff to perform abortions, they should have many/more clinics with professionals/counselors that teach about and provide contraceptives.
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the bible belt doesn't believe in knowledge, education. it might make people do it more often than they already are.


its interesting how people will make up all kinds of fairy tale beliefs and ignore statistics. the numbers don't lie, or fantasize.

belief is useless; when it isn't questioned/tested.


even youngsters with no schooling have all kinds of belief.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
74x12 said:
Well we do imprison murderers right? Is that slavery?

My point is the question boils down to when is abortion murder? So that's the question. It's illogical to talk about slavery if it is murder.
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No, it isn't.

And we know that abortion is not murder. I think that even the antichoice crowd have agreed to that.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
leviticus 17:11 is refering to a live, breathing animal that was to be eaten.

you're getting desparate
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It's you who are desperate. If it's true of an animal; it's true of people. Besides, you're the one saying that fetuses are like lumps of dirt as Adam was before God breathed on him.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
74x12 said:
I've already disproved this logic by pointing out they do use oxygen. Why do we breathe at all? If someone who is alive and their lungs stop working and they are kept alive on a machine. A mechanical lung ... are they alive by your logic? Apparently not.

I don't think the argument you're using is scientifically accurate or makes any sense. God breathed on Adam the breathe of life but babies in the womb are arguably already quite alive. They're multi-cellular organisms sustained by oxygen and other necessary chemicals.

So the real question is when or if their life has value. You've already compared their life to that of a cancerous growth. So I think for you they do not have any value.
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the argument i'm using is your own bible. yet you're ignoring it consistently for a belief that isn't founded in fact. you're trying to make something that isn't autonomous into a individual. it isn't. in so many different ways it isn't.

it's not even spiritual per the bible
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
the argument i'm using is your own bible. yet you're ignoring it consistently for a belief that isn't founded in fact. you're trying to make something that isn't autonomous into a individual. it isn't. in so many different ways it isn't.

it's not even spiritual per the bible
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It's not autonomous? Well what is autonomous? Are children likely to survive without the help of adults before they turn 3 years old? Not likely ... not at all likely.

They still rely on their mother's milk. So something of a "parasite" really like that's the reasoning that abortionists use. It's nothing but a parasite.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
Maybe instead of many clinics employing Dr's and staff to perform abortions, they should have many/more clinics with professionals/counselors that teach about and provide contraceptives.
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Do you know what Planned Parenthood does?

Do you know why antiabortionists should support Planned Parenthood?
 
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