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Featured A Modest Proposal For Christians: Iscariot Day

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    In another thread the responsibility of Jesus's death was brought up, and the question of whether anyone be blamed for it. As I and others pointed out, if it wasn't for those involved in bringing the crucifixion to fruition, from Mary who gave birth to Jesus to the Roman soldiers who nailed him to the cross, there would be no "salvation" for humanity. And in as much as many of the participants, such as Judas Iscariot, Pontius Pilate, and the Roman soldiers, have been vilified throughout history---people necessary to bring the "salvation" of Christ to the world---I feel this should be remedied.

    Therefore, I propose a worldwide day of Christian appreciation for all those who played a direct part in the crucifixion. An appreciation and celebration on the Tuesday preceding Maundy Thursday (the commemoration of Last Supper, where Jesus identifies his betrayer) when Judas Iscariot negotiated with the Sanhedrin to betray Jesus.*



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  2. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    The great contradictions....of theological speculations. :)
     
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  3. bobhikes

    bobhikes infinitologist
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    The problem with that is that Jesus Blamed no one. He said so to Pilot and all the people he was asked to judge, like the woman to be stoned and others. People like Judas are judged for there actions not blamed for the result. Humans seem to need to assign blame to loss.
     
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    I think you're missing the point. The story is an allegory. WE (humanity, past and present) killed Christ. And we continue to do so as long as we continue to fall into the same spiritual pit of fear and egotism that the characters in the allegory did, when they participated in Jesus' death.
     
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    It was God's plan. all humans are responsible for the original sin. God's plan was to kill his son to save humans. Jesus came to die according to plan.

    didn't jesus say Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done?
     
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    Seems like idolatry.
     
  7. Skwim

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    Exactly, yet others did/do just that.

    The result being the Crucifixion and death of Jesus, and I disagree because I've read and heard just that;

    "A Swiss professor- Rodolphe Kasser acquired the manuscript [The Gospel of Judas ] in 2001. Kasser and the National Geographic Society had the manuscript translated from Coptic to English. On April 6, 2006, they unveiled in Washington, D.C the only surviving copy of The Gospel of Judas.

    “Though Judas is to blame, he’s just the representation of humanity, all of us are to blame since Jesus died because of our sins,” says Pastor Thaddeus Ssengendo of Potter's House in Kampala. He quotes Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
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    "It is impossible to deny Judas' involvement in the death of Jesus, but the blame for this act should not rest solely upon his shoulders."
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    There are a number of good explanations of why Judas has been blamed historically for Christ's death.
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  8. Skwim

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    Really! Who said so?


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    Jesus planned his death and his followers carried it out. It was the multitudes that followed him that cried out to have him crucified. Jesus thought it would fulfill scripture. It was not the Jews. If the Jews had their way, he would've been stoned to death as a false prophet.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    That would have been unfortunate. Hanging up a rock as a symbol for the faith doesn't seem terribly spiritual. :D
     
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    Read Deuteronomy 32, the Song of Moses. It begins with verse 3, and says, "...I will publish the name of the Lord..." God is both a Rock and a stone. Genesis 49:24. "...from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel".
     
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    That's an interesting take on it. Thanks for sharing.
     
  13. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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  14. Skwim

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    Why? Do you have something against Iscariot, Pilate, or the Roman soldiers? If so, what is it, or don't you know?

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  15. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    No, it just a stupid idea.

    It's like saying we should praise slavers for bringing Africans to America to live in a better country. While not false it's not exactly honest either.
     
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  16. Skwim

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    So, like there's a huge down side to slavers bringing Africans to America: the lifelong enslavement and abuse of human beings; likewise, there must be a huge downside to the crucifixion. Just what might this be?

    What's the dishonest part?

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  17. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    The only down side was the Jews got wrongly blamed for their part in Christ's crucifixion. Which lead to some anti-semitism etc. That blame solely lies with just hateful people needing an excuse to vent the hate.

    They didn't crucify Jesus because it was good for Him or humanity. They did it thinking they would put an end to Christ's movement. It backfired horrendously of course and had the opposite effect. But it should not be celebrated as if it was a "happy lil accident"
     
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    Gotta say, I don't see the misattribution of responsibility to be anywhere close to enslaving and abusing human beings for the rest of their lives.

    But nobody has been dishonest about it: lied.


    Didn't say it should. First and foremost, it would be a show of appreciation. And I wouldn't think Christians would celebrate it any differently than they celebrate Jesus birth and resurrection. Main thing is that how it's celebrated is up to them, and if it's as a "happy lil accident" so be it, dumb as it sounds.

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  19. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Holocaust survivors would disagree.
     
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    I don't think so. Because it was Passover Jerusalem was crowded with Jews gathered for Passover from all over who had never heard of this Jesus. Jesus was arrested at night under the cover of darkness, and in secret from his own followers.
     
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