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A "historic victory for white life"

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Nope.

Using the identity of "white" for pride instead of "American" or whatever ethnicity you identify with is problematic because the very concept of "white" in America implies horrific histories of oppression and brutality. "Black" Americans feeling pride are appropriating the term to counteract that oppression and in many cases, they can't identify their African roots due to being forced to procreate to use their offspring as slaves, and in having their families and cultures removed from them.
You need to study history a bit more. Everyone was slaves to someone. You are making an assumption that if someone is proud of their ancestry they must be proud of the evil parts of that ancestry. In reality, literally everyone has atrocities in their ancestry.
If you go to a re enactment and someone is " playing" a native do you assume that's ok, but the guy playing his white ancestor is terrible?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
You need to study history a bit more. Everyone was slaves to someone. You are making an assumption that if someone is proud of their ancestry they must be proud of the evil parts of that ancestry. In reality, literally everyone has atrocities in their ancestry.
If you go to a re enactment and someone is " playing" a native do you assume that's ok, but the guy playing his white ancestor is terrible?

The problem isn't with ancestry, but with the identity of "white."

Slavery is an unfortunate history for most peoples, but here in the United States, the particular style of slavery was fairly recent and set up a relationship between the folks that were enslaved (primarily Africans forcibly relocated) and European colonists and later, European-Americans. This was starkly translated into "white" and "black" identities. For instance, from the Texas Declaration of Causes outlining the reasons for succession before the Civil War:

"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

After slavery was made illegal, the fight for equality continued this use of color labels between European-descended Americans and African-descended Americans, and this was right into even the late 1900s:

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A Greyhound bus trip from Louisville, Kentucky, to Memphis, Tennessee, and the terminals. Waiting for the bus at the Memphis terminal

And, of course, it wasn't reserved to only black folks:

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Texas immigration law clouded by state's history of racial discrimination

Hence why no one associates "Celtic pride," "Franco-American pride," or "German Pride" with racism, but using the identity of "white" is using a label that has a direct and recent (and apprently ongoing) association with specifically American slavery and the bigotry that festered from it.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
The problem isn't with ancestry, but with the identity of "white."

Slavery is an unfortunate history for most peoples, but here in the United States, the particular style of slavery was fairly recent and set up a relationship between the folks that were enslaved (primarily Africans forcibly relocated) and European colonists and later, European-Americans. This was starkly translated into "white" and "black" identities. For instance, from the Texas Declaration of Causes outlining the reasons for succession before the Civil War:

"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

After slavery was made illegal, the fight for equality continued this use of color labels between European-descended Americans and African-descended Americans, and this was right into even the late 1900s:

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A Greyhound bus trip from Louisville, Kentucky, to Memphis, Tennessee, and the terminals. Waiting for the bus at the Memphis terminal

And, of course, it wasn't reserved to only black folks:

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Texas immigration law clouded by state's history of racial discrimination

Hence why no one associates "Celtic pride," "Franco-American pride," or "German Pride" with racism, but using the identity of "white" is using a label that has a direct and recent (and apprently ongoing) association with specifically American slavery and the bigotry that festered from it.
So? Today we are encouraged to be ashamed of being white. Which is a not so subtle form of racism in itself.
Of course white isn't a race, but neither is black or brown. The fact is, most of us are mutts. But the only ones who get in trouble for being proud of their culture are whites.
 
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