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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by savagewind, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    That means God is not love personified, but is a noun of somesort (fill in the blank) that gives love?
     
  2. savagewind

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    I do not think so. People who are in God's image are able to love and the love they show cannot be said to "come from God". Love builds up. God builds up righteousness. People build up unrighteousness by their crooked love.
     
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    I used He in response to you. I used he because you might not have caught the idea if I called him "it" or even "Jerry, Bob or Thomas". I use He Because you and other in this discussion refer to him as he. I can call it a "she" if you want, or even "My big toe". What we call him (it, she, Bob, Jerry, Jane, my big toe) does not change what what it is. Your third question is excellent and the answer is yes. Simply yes.

    Third question: He can become something he is not made up of? Who is He in this statement if not everything? What makes God, God to you if he is not anything: He is everything. By my saying he is not anything, I mean anything in particular. How can you be everything but also be one thing? This is confusing if you don't open our mind to the possibility of it. He is not anything in particular, he is everything in particular. (Except man made things such as a cellphone)
     
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    Yes, this is true. But whatever you feel, he is capable of feeling.
     
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    This is just to make a distinction that I don't mean Jesus is god, he is not even literally and or physically a son of god. Jesus was son of Maryam, al-right.
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  6. Thuli

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    What force if not God's? What other "force" is there?
     
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    I totally agree with you here.
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  8. paarsurrey

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    Jesus is Word of G-d like John the Baptist is Word of G-d. Jesus is son of Mary and step son of Joseph. Right .
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  9. paarsurrey

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    I agree with you. Jesus did not write NT Bible, he also did not dictate it to anybody, he also did not authorize anybody to write anything on his behalf.
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  10. paarsurrey

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    G-d did make communications with truthful Jesus and through him to his people, but we see only its glimpses in the NT Bible. We have to sift right from the wrong in it. That is always the message from G-d that people become righteous. It is a global message for all the regions and all peoples of the world, a promise made with every prophet whether Israelite or non-Israelite.
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  11. savagewind

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    There is centrifugal force.

    Every force there is originated with God. But not every force IS God. Let's just say everything that exists came from God's word BE! OK? Now, you say a word please. Is the word you? Some of us would fill two universes if every word we spoke or wrote was us.
     
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    I endorse you here.
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  13. Unveiled Artist

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    That last part is harsh. Humans in their true self arent crooked.

    If I can rephrase this in English terms:

    Is God a noun (person, place, or thing) or an adjective (what describes a noun such as love, hate, orange, tall, powerful, all knowing)?

    If He is a noun, then He is either a person or thing (regardless of the pronoun: He, Him, She, Her). As such, He "gives" love, has love to give, but not love itself because love is a adjective not a noun.

    If "He" is an adjectice He does not give love. He Is love. So when I love my wife, that love is not an adj to describe how I feel about her. That love is God so what joins us together is God (love). It is not a noun. Its a decriptive word in this context.
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    Now here is where I am confused. I read thuli and you refer to love as if it is a noun. Love is the "alhpha and omega"; @Thuli "HE created all of our most basic emotions which are: Love and Fear."

    This is confusing to talk as if love is a noun.

    My question is:

    Is love an adjective that has been personified into a noun. (Is love-adj- that has been personifed into a noun-God)?

    Or

    Is the noun A adj. not an adj. that describes the noun?

    Is God love and not love as a description of who God is in and of Himself independent of descriptions?

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    In other words, am I (noun) an adjective (love)

    Or

    Am I (noun) someone who is described by an adj. (Love)

    Without being the adj. Love itself?

    Best I can explain it to both you and @Thuli
     
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    The only other force God created that truly comes from him is the soul. Who possesses the soul? Us. Any word or thought or action you make, say, think does not necessarily be who you are, but it represents you. If YOUR words do not represent you ,then who do they represent?
     
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  16. savagewind

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    That is an excellent question! My words DO represent myself. It is called being honest. There are some here whose words represent their religion. Some people's religion is the written word. Some people's religion is other people's understanding of other people's understanding.....
     
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    Past all that. Past religion. Past race. Past physical distictions. Your words, thoughts and actions represent who you are here and now.
     
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    I wanted to ask earlier on, I'm not sure who but someone included death as one of the world's calamities. Why is that?
     
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