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A female James Bond. Are you kidding me?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Twilight Hue, Nov 7, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    All those ideas will eventually come to pass.
     
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    Ahh of course. The comics code
    *shudders*
     
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  4. Unveiled Artist

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    It's just tradition, mostly. It's the same context as having a Black Superman. It's not specific to race or sex, just continued tradition that certain movies have archetypes of characters and to go outside of that set up would derail the show. It's the same say with Count of Monte Cristo. It's a great novel but I wouldn't re-read it if the author rewrote it as a female prisoner. Women and men have different worldviews in fiction (as so tradition states).
     
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    We did get none white and non-American Superman in the past. There was a series with a communist Superman who comes from Russia and a Mexican Superman too. We got several version of evil Superman and even "fat looser" Superman or "brutal but good" Superman. With enough time and popularity you can change elements of a franchise to a point where things are so radically recognisable only diehard fans will be able to spot elements of continuity.
     
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    I know this question sounds racist, but were they light skinned or dark skinned?

    Americans little later down the years started adding minorities but they still (and even today) haven't fully edged off the skin color yet.
     
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    Communist Superman was of course white though he was made to look lightly older with a sliver streek in his hair. Mexican Superman was a "violent, but good" type of Superhero with a classical dark brown skin and some facial hair too. He might be Puerto Rican BTW, though he is definitely brown-skined and hispanic since he swears in Spanish. He didn't have a sparkling costume either.
     
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    Tradition is overrated. What you describe is essentially a stunting of creativity and art. I have actually read gender swapped versions of classical literature and even traditional folktales. It was a trend that continues to this day. Hell remember when they adapted classic stories for teens in the 2000s?
    10 Things I hate about you is by far my favourite adaptation of Shakespeare’s Taming of the Shrew. Whilst more of a subversion, it arguably shifted the perspective to a more feminine one rather than the masculine one from the original. Though I have seen feminist defences of the original
     
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  9. Revoltingest

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    That & the <ew> frubal are needed.
    But ya know, when a movie is bad,
    all we need do is not watch it.
     
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    I have the perfect plot for the new 007 of our era. First the Russians plant their mole ( a reality tv host) in White House as President in order to divide the nation
     
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    Can you imagine Blazing Saddles with a black guy as lead? The Birdcage with a bunch of gay men?
    Rocky Horror, but with a bunch of roles played by gay or transgender people?


    I wish there was a puke emoji!
     
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    Apparently there have been more than one version of a black Superman.
     
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    Can you imagine a play about the American founding fathers played by black men-- oh wait it's one of the most successful theater productions of all time.
     
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    Until now. And it'll probably be a racial minority in the future too because god traditionalists are boring. Have to have the same thing over and over again. Stories change. I'm sure you'll cope.
     
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    In one comic book he's a Barack Obama analog

    [​IMG]
     
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    Before No Time to Die, there were only two people with the number 007 in the Bond canon.

    "It happened twice" <> "it always happens that way."

    There have been several 00 agents who have been identified as female - including all the way back in the 70s - and plenty of passing mentions of 00 agents where their sex isn't identified.
     
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    The original Superman was non-American.

    He was an undocumented immigrant from the planet Krypton who arrived in the US as a baby... a DREAMer, in modern parlance.
     
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    "Bond. Jenny Bond"
    Why not? :p
     
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    You didn't see Dogma?
     
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    This doesn't bother me.

    As far as I'm concerned every James Bond after Sean Connery was an imposter anyway.
     
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