A Double Standard?

[Revoltingest]

Let's start with high treason. Remember Valery Plame?

You'd have to make a case that it's a crime that
isn't within the scope of the job. Being President
involves many ordinarily illegal acts, eg, authorizing
assassinations, espionage. To make something stick
in criminal court would be tricky.
Note that I'm not saying Bush couldn't be successfully
prosecuted. But you've not shown how.

 

[Heyo]

I eagerly await his arrest, trial, conviction, & sentencing.
But I expect to be disappointed in they system treating
him like royalty with impunity.

I'm a bit more hopeful. Presidents may get away with one or two crimes but Trump was so habitually criminal that one or the other of his crimes will send him to prison.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder this:
is it normal that people care about a President's sex life?
I couldn't care less.
It is not normal. Whether it is Bill Clinton, Trump, Bush, Reagan and so on.
Americans do care whether Obama is the perfect family man, who has never cheated on his wife.
As if this were something politically relevant.

You can be the most faithful husband in the world and still be a traitor to the West you are supposed to represent.

Many crimes relate to sex, eg, false testimony about it, rape,
suborning perjury, destroying evidence. The fact that the
crimes originated with sexual acts doesn't prevent them
from being crimes.

 

[Colt]

I recall that the left defended Bill Clinton's crimes, ie, lying
to a grand jury, suborning perjury, as justified because it
was only about sex, & that he was protecting his family.
It could be said that Trump paid hush money that was
only about sex, & that he was protecting his family (yes,
I actually heard that from the right).

Should both be prosecuted? Or if only Trump, why
give a pass to one Prez committing crimes, but not
to another?

Caution:
Before tempers flare, & feces fly...I'll state clearly
that this is not a defense of Trump. I want him
prosecuted for crimes, especially related to the
Jan 6 insurrection.
Further, if Trump is arrested, he should be hand
cuffed, just as the little people are. Politicians
shouldn't be above the justice system that afflicts
the masses.

She was paid the money that she extorted Trump for, but then wanted more. But Leftist are always putting their political enemies in jail! Terrible precedent!

 

[Colt]

I'm a bit more hopeful. Presidents may get away with one or two crimes but Trump was so habitually criminal that one or the other of his crimes will send him to prison.

You are delusional if you think Trump will ever go to jail for this!

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm a bit more hopeful. Presidents may get away with one or two crimes but Trump was so habitually criminal that one or the other of his crimes will send him to prison.

Trump would want a jury trial because of the
likelihood that one of his cult members would
be on it. They're so dedicated that they're still
drinking bleach (recent news item).
Conviction would be tough.
If he were charged with crimes punishable by under
a year in jail, then SCOTUS allows the court to
unilaterally waive his right to a jury trial. But this
would be politically impossible for an ex-President.
So I don't share your optimism.

 

[PureX]

I recall that the left defended Bill Clinton's crimes, ie, lying
to a grand jury, suborning perjury, as justified because it
was only about sex, & that he was protecting his family.
It could be said that Trump paid hush money that was
only about sex, & that he was protecting his family (yes,
I actually heard that from the right).

Should both be prosecuted? Or if only Trump, why
give a pass to one Prez committing crimes, but not
to another?

Caution:
Before tempers flare, & feces fly...I'll state clearly
that this is not a defense of Trump. I want him
prosecuted for crimes, especially related to the
Jan 6 insurrection.
Further, if Trump is arrested, he should be hand
cuffed, just as the little people are. Politicians
shouldn't be above the justice system that afflicts
the masses.

The short answer from me is no. Sexual infidelity is an issue for a divorce court, perhaps, but it's not a matter for politicians to be using to legally attack each other and try and ruin each other's careers.

 

[Nakosis]

I recall that the left defended Bill Clinton's crimes, ie, lying
to a grand jury, suborning perjury, as justified because it
was only about sex, & that he was protecting his family.
It could be said that Trump paid hush money that was
only about sex, & that he was protecting his family (yes,
I actually heard that from the right).

Should both be prosecuted? Or if only Trump, why
give a pass to one Prez committing crimes, but not
to another?

Caution:
Before tempers flare, & feces fly...I'll state clearly
that this is not a defense of Trump. I want him
prosecuted for crimes, especially related to the
Jan 6 insurrection.
Further, if Trump is arrested, he should be hand
cuffed, just as the little people are. Politicians
shouldn't be above the justice system that afflicts
the masses.

When it comes to politics, it is less about justice and more about power. Wealth affords power. While ideally justice is blind, it seldom is.

 

[Revoltingest]

She was paid the money that she extorted Trump for, but then wanted more. But Leftist are always putting their political enemies in jail! Terrible precedent!

Both sides ignore crimes of their own, but
get the vapors when the other side sins.

 

[We Never Know]

I recall that the left defended Bill Clinton's crimes, ie, lying
to a grand jury, suborning perjury, as justified because it
was only about sex, & that he was protecting his family.
It could be said that Trump paid hush money that was
only about sex, & that he was protecting his family (yes,
I actually heard that from the right).

Should both be prosecuted? Or if only Trump, why
give a pass to one Prez committing crimes, but not
to another?

Caution:
Before tempers flare, & feces fly...I'll state clearly
that this is not a defense of Trump. I want him
prosecuted for crimes, especially related to the
Jan 6 insurrection.
Further, if Trump is arrested, he should be hand
cuffed, just as the little people are. Politicians
shouldn't be above the justice system that afflicts
the masses.

Trump wasnt the president when the hush money was paid. He was just a citizen.
Clinton was president and IMO that gave him certain/special protection from charges(which is BS. No one is/should be above the law).

 

[Revoltingest]

The short answer from me is no. Sexual infidelity is an issue for a divorce court, perhaps, but it's not a matter for politicians to be using to legally attack each other and try and ruin each other's careers.

Would you say that no crimes relating
to sex should be prosecuted?
Would you apply this standard to both
Clinton & Trump?

 

[Revoltingest]

When it comes to politics, it is less about justice and more about power. Wealth affords power. While ideally justice is blind, it seldom is.

Wealth & political power are related, but not the same.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many crimes relate to sex, eg, false testimony about it, rape,
suborning perjury, destroying evidence. The fact that the
crimes originated with sexual acts doesn't prevent them
from being crimes.

What crimes did Clinton commit?

 

[Estro Felino]

The short answer from me is no. Sexual infidelity is an issue for a divorce court, perhaps, but it's not a matter for politicians to be using to legally attack each other and try and ruin each other's careers.

Exactly.

 

[Estro Felino]

Neither could I. But this is not about their sex life. Clinton lied about it which was the problem. And Trump used campaign money to pay the hush money which is why he is indicted now.

Do you remember Berlusconi? Berlusconi would have never lied...
I mean..he has always been proud of being fond of beautiful women...

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump wasnt the president when the hush money was paid. He was just a citizen.

Would you say that a crime can be prosecuted if
committed as a civilian, but not when by a President?

Clinton was president and IMO that gave him certain/special protection from charges(which is BS. No one is/should be above the law).

Presidents are given too much immunity from prosecution IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

What crimes did Clinton commit?

You haven't read the news or this thread?
Lying to a grand jury.
Suborning perjury.

 

[We Never Know]

The short answer from me is no. Sexual infidelity is an issue for a divorce court, perhaps, but it's not a matter for politicians to be using to legally attack each other and try and ruin each other's careers.

I disagree. As president the are supposed to set a good example. When they aren't setting good examples, they shouldn't be leaders.

 

[Estro Felino]

You haven't read the news or this thread?
Lying to a grand jury.
Suborning perjury.

What if he had said : yes I did have sex with that woman in the WH ?
Would he have undergone any consequence?

If the answer yes, the perjury story is just a pretext. A scam.

 

[We Never Know]

Would you say that a crime can be prosecuted if
committed as a civilian, but not when by a President?

Presidents are given too much immunity from prosecution IMO.

"Would you say that a crime can be prosecuted if committed as a civilian, but not when by a President?"

I'm saying Trump didn't have certain/special protection when he paid the hush money. His troubles started before he was president and bled over into this presidency.

"Presidents are given too much immunity from prosecution IMO."

I agree. Its kind of like the diplomatic immunity BS.